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30-40 stops from 100-0 right after each other....??? Wtf are these guys smoking? The most demanding tracks in the world will not require 100-0 stops right after each other 30-40

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Old 04-30-2010, 11:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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30-40 stops from 100-0 right after each other....??? Wtf are these guys smoking? The most demanding tracks in the world will not require 100-0 stops right after each other 30-40 times without a minute or so. Lower speed breaking and straits will be more than enough to cool the breaks in the process.

Raced a 335 recently "in a closed legal location" half way through the 10 mile race his breaks started to fade and mine weren't even smelling. Obviously he was harder on breaks to keep the pace going but it still doesn't explain the BS that this article is spitting out.

BTW yes my oil temp did go up to 260 3/4 of the run.
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30-40 stops from 100-0 right after each other....??? Wtf are these guys smoking? The most demanding tracks in the world will not require 100-0 stops right after each other 30-40 times without a minute or so. Lower speed breaking and straits will be more than enough to cool the breaks in the process.

Raced a 335 recently "in a closed legal location" half way through the 10 mile race his breaks started to fade and mine weren't even smelling. Obviously he was harder on breaks to keep the pace going but it still doesn't explain the BS that this article is spitting out.

BTW yes my oil temp did go up to 260 3/4 of the run.
It was just to determine at what point they start to really fail
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It was just to determine at what point they start to really fail
From reading the whole thing it seemed like they were trying to justify why they crashed the nismo in the beginning. No modern car will all of a sudden not stop during a hard breaking. Before not stopping there is such thing as smoke, longer pedal travel, and longer stopping distances called "fading" which gradually build up during hard driving. They obviously ignored those signs and ended up crashing the car...
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Interesting read - thanks for posting it
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It was just to determine at what point they start to really fail
Yea but the problem is in order to justify their publishing of the magazine and possibly to point the finger away from themselves in terms of liability in light of the crash that occurred during the first test event, the author/editors wordsmith the story so that the testing and resulting data reads to sound as if its judgement applies as well to the overall safety, quality and driveability of the 370Z while driving under normal conditions.

There is in the way they chose to write this critique a very fine obscure line between truth and "yellow journalism" so they have backdoors to squirm through when necessary yet render an unjustified negative judgement upon the car and manufacturer.

And one has to consider this may be again another attempt to discredit foreign car makers in the court of American public opinion since the American car industry had to be bailed out. Whereas Toyota and Honda got fried by Congress and by the media, Nissan managed to escape the fire in the first time around.

I find it interesting the sole focus of the written review was only the braking system as if to vaguely lay down a veiled suggestion that somehow Nissan has the same quality problems as Toyota and Honda as recently identified and incessantly harped on by the media.

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And one has to consider this may be again another attempt to discredit foreign car makers in the court of American public opinion since the American car industry had to be bailed out. Whereas Toyota and Honda got fried by Congress and by the media, Nissan managed to escape the fire in the first time around.
Sorry, I do not buy that for one minute. Nissan has been notorious for dismissing issues through their "value-laden" tag lines. Example, Exhibit A: "The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers."

They sell the 370Z under the sports car category, but expect it to be driven like a Yugo as anything above is not considered regular usage or considered "race track" driven. Nissan needs to get real and cease hiding under corporate lawyer written veiled statements that are the epitome of "vague and ambiguous."
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The question has been asked "when is one of the vendor's going to step up and begin developing a cooling kit for the brakes?"

We actually have been working on a few options.

1) Our front fascia. Yes, this is more elaborate and will change the exterior appearance of your car so it won't be for everyone, but we have created brake cooling ducts for the fascia. They will be on display next week at our open house event and will be launched soon.

2) I don't want to talk about our other option just yet as it is very unique to the aftermarket industry and no one else has anything like it so you'd better believe I'm going to keep it "hush hush." I can confidently say that it will be the best form of brake cooling hands down.
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The question has been asked "when is one of the vendor's going to step up and begin developing a cooling kit for the brakes?"

We actually have been working on a few options.

1) Our front fascia. Yes, this is more elaborate and will change the exterior appearance of your car so it won't be for everyone, but we have created brake cooling ducts for the fascia. They will be on display next week at our open house event and will be launched soon.

2) I don't want to talk about our other option just yet as it is very unique to the aftermarket industry and no one else has anything like it so you'd better believe I'm going to keep it "hush hush." I can confidently say that it will be the best form of brake cooling hands down.
Any projection for an availibility of the "hush hush"....
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I'll see what I can do to bump it up the priority list for R&D. Now would be the best time though as the car is on the rack...I'll see what I can do this coming week.
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Sorry, I do not buy that for one minute. Nissan has been notorious for dismissing issues through their "value-laden" tag lines. Example, Exhibit A: "The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers."

They sell the 370Z under the sports car category, but expect it to be driven like a Yugo as anything above is not considered regular usage or considered "race track" driven. Nissan needs to get real and cease hiding under corporate lawyer written veiled statements that are the epitome of "vague and ambiguous."
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Sorry, I do not buy that for one minute. Nissan has been notorious for dismissing issues through their "value-laden" tag lines. Example, Exhibit A: "The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers."

They sell the 370Z under the sports car category, but expect it to be driven like a Yugo as anything above is not considered regular usage or considered "race track" driven. Nissan needs to get real and cease hiding under corporate lawyer written veiled statements that are the epitome of "vague and ambiguous."
I think alot of folks here need to get real and finally come to the long and overdue undertanding with the fact that a "sports car" and a "race car" are entirely two different types of vehicles.

In addition folks here need to finally come to the understanding that the act of buying any car doesn't include making the car dealer or the manufacturer your personal indentured servant who will pay for everything to convert the car into something you think it should be meant to be.

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I think alot of folks here need to get real and finally come to the long and overdue undertanding with the fact that a "sports car" and a "race car" are entirely two different types of vehicles.

In addition folks here need to finally come to the understanding that the act of buying any car doesn't include making the car dealer or the manufacturer your personal indentured servant who will pay for everything to convert the car into something you think it should be meant to be.
I think what is comes down to is, it looks a bit like a 911, so in our subconscious minds, it should perform like one - for 1/3 the price of course.
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I think what is comes down to is, it looks a bit like a 911, so in our subconscious minds, it should perform like one - for 1/3 the price of course.
Bam. This dude just hit it on the ******* head I think lol.
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I think alot of folks here need to get real and finally come to the long and overdue undertanding with the fact that a "sports car" and a "race car" are entirely two different types of vehicles.

In addition folks here need to finally come to the understanding that the act of buying any car doesn't include making the car dealer or the manufacturer your personal indentured servant who will pay for everything to convert the car into something you think it should be meant to be.
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Originally Posted by kannibul: I doubt Nissan's marketing intent is to promot the Nismo as being track-ready...maybe track oriented...but not track-ready.

I can't imagine the idea of taking a stock nismo and hitting a track with it, and expect it to hold up.

Brakes, diff cooler, oil cooler, maybe a transcooler - at the very least.

One day I'll track my Z, but, I certainly won't be pushing the limits of the car, as my limits are much more conservative - I don't want to risk out out of pocket potentials...

I would however, like to go fast and take some hard corners in a legal environment...as long as there is minimal risk if I lose it and end up "4x4ing" my Z.
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