What Would You Want (2011 370Z)

Lug · 03-19-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 370zlove3

Don't be selfish now!

It wouldn't be a low 30k if you add in all of the navi and touring packages.
I'm also not basing this on engine only. V8s from Ford, Chevy, and Dodge are also allowed in this game just because they are also sports car at a lower level.

And why would the Mustang be inferior? I'll agree with the 2010's Mustang but there is no doubt in my mind that the 2011's might edge the current 370Z. Hence it is important for Nissan, imo, to upgrade to compete and better its opponents. And as for Chevy, I was actually thinking of the Camaro SS. If I can recall correctly, so far, the Camaro has beaten the 370Z (Nismo?) on all of the tracks despite it being a stereotypical straight line performance car. Competition and bragging rights usually stem from performance statistics. It would be harsh for the Camaro SS drivers to say that in a straight, they would beat us AND on the track.
What can we say about them? That our car is smaller and is more fun to drive? Sure, maybe for you, but for the general public, people want to see which car is better mostly from a performance/competition standpoint.

This tread encompasses all ranges of the 370Z including the 40k Nismo.

Why is it lucky?

+1 The 370Z eclipses the similarly priced competition in every catagory except straight line power. This is where I would add some. It doesn't have to match power for power, just match acceleration times. Due to it's lighter weight, I'd say if they could squeeze 360 to 370 hp, it will match the 2011Mustang and stomp on the Camaro and Challenger in 0-60. The extra power would also probably best the Cayman S on the track. A win-win. The stock block seems to be able to take this much power with ease so the uptick shouldn't cause a huge price jump. It's easy to want twin turbos and larger blocks, but then you loose the 370Z actual biggest current benefit, it's increadable bang-for-the-buck.

Zsteve · 03-19-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

+1 The 370Z eclipses the similarly priced competition in every catagory except straight line power. This is where I would add some. It doesn't have to match power for power, just match acceleration times. Due to it's lighter weight, I'd say if they could squeeze 360 to 370 hp, it will match the 2011Mustang and stomp on the Camaro and Challenger in 0-60. The extra power would also probably best the Cayman S on the track. A win-win. The stock block seems to be able to take this much power with ease so the uptick shouldn't cause a huge price jump. It's easy to want twin turbos and larger blocks, but then you loose the 370Z actual biggest current benefit, it's increadable bang-for-the-buck.

When we say "best bang for the buck" I think we need to keep in mind that this is all determined by how much money you have to begin with. A person who only makes 20K a year isnt going to call the Z the best bang for the buck. A person who makes 200K a year isnt going to call the Z the best bang for the buck. Its all perspective to your income. Those of us in here are fairly close in income thus it works for us. But best bang for the buck would be something like which car gives the most HP/ TQ/ performance/ handling/ style/ quality/ even functionality etc per dollar. And Im not sure what car that is.

The Z is a good car and in a couple of years it will up its HP just like it has always. Its a cycle all car companies play in.

Matt · 03-19-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

When we say "best bang for the buck" I think we need to keep in mind that this is all determined by how much money you have to begin with. A person who only makes 20K a year isnt going to call the Z the best bang for the buck. A person who makes 200K a year isnt going to call the Z the best bang for the buck. Its all perspective to your income. Those of us in here are fairly close in income thus it works for us. But best bang for the buck would be something like which car gives the most HP/ TQ/ performance/ handling/ style/ quality/ even functionality etc per dollar. And Im not sure what car that is.

Exactly.

Bang for the buck means completely different things to different people. My coworker thinks his 100 more hp and torque means the Camaro is better bang for the buck. /shrug

crf450 · 03-19-2010, 12:06 PM

1.) 400 hp is very realistic and they could do it at almost no cost (i did it with different intake, exhaust and reflash, pully etc)
2.) increase cooling ability
3.) make sure sport pkg and nismo have track worthy brakes
4.) could use 30lbs of sound deading in back and lose 75lbs in front to improve weight dist.
5.) paint could be more chip resistant, I added clear bra
I love this car and it rides and handles SOOOO nice , I have 21000 miles and loving it. I feel they could make these changes for less than $500 their cost if they wanted to.

Lug · 03-19-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Exactly.

Bang for the buck means completely different things to different people. My coworker thinks his 100 more hp and torque means the Camaro is better bang for the buck. /shrug

But with nothing more than a slight HP boost, the 370Z will take the camaro in all performance catagories. It will already out-handle, out break, out corner, etc. As far as where to improve the 370Z, adding a bit of power is the best way for nissan to leverage the rest of the car's stunning performance. I agree about different cost catagories (for instance, the vette is probably the best bang for the buck performancewise if you step up to the 50K range), but the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger are already in the same price area. If you can match their straight line speed and dominate in all other catagories, you get to win every internet argument with their owners!

chewonyou · 08-09-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

+1 The 370Z eclipses the similarly priced competition in every catagory except straight line power. This is where I would add some. It doesn't have to match power for power, just match acceleration times. Due to it's lighter weight, I'd say if they could squeeze 360 to 370 hp, it will match the 2011Mustang and stomp on the Camaro and Challenger in 0-60. The extra power would also probably best the Cayman S on the track. A win-win. The stock block seems to be able to take this much power with ease so the uptick shouldn't cause a huge price jump. It's easy to want twin turbos and larger blocks, but then you loose the 370Z actual biggest current benefit, it's increadable bang-for-the-buck.

Negative.

I've test driven both the 370Z and 2011 Mustang GT Coupe Premium (HID, gears, security, Brembo). The only area where the Z may have an edge is a tight track similar to an autocross. The areas where the Mustang wins out is value/pricing, braking, acceleration, mod potential/bang for the buck gains, practicality (more storage space).

Mergnthwirker · 08-09-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chewonyou

Negative.

I've test driven both the 370Z and 2011 Mustang GT Coupe Premium (HID, gears, security, Brembo). The only area where the Z may have an edge is a tight track similar to an autocross. The areas where the Mustang wins out is value/pricing, braking, acceleration, mod potential/bang for the buck gains, practicality (more storage space).

Well, around here that solid rear axle just THROWS you off the road when you hit a frost-heave on a corner. The Z gives you a jolt, but stays planted. Drove 'em both back-to-back (actually last year's Mustang) and chose the Z. No contest for the brisk daily driving we do every day.

nuTinmuch · 08-09-2010, 12:21 PM

Yeah, that's the thing -- the Mustang handles -really- well on a smooth surface, but the real axle shows itself when you hit some bumpy roads. I'd imagine that sort of sours the experience for most of us who drive on good ol' American roads.

chewonyou · 08-10-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mergnthwirker

Well, around here that solid rear axle just THROWS you off the road when you hit a frost-heave on a corner. The Z gives you a jolt, but stays planted. Drove 'em both back-to-back (actually last year's Mustang) and chose the Z. No contest for the brisk daily driving we do every day.

I'm from the Tri-State area as well. Funny, I don't get thrown off the road in the same manner you've just described.

For everyday daily driving, I'd hands down prefer the Mustang. The 370z has major blind spots, lacks torque, and lacks interior space compared to the Mustang.

Lug · 08-09-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chewonyou

Negative.

I've test driven both the 370Z and 2011 Mustang GT Coupe Premium (HID, gears, security, Brembo). The only area where the Z may have an edge is a tight track similar to an autocross. The areas where the Mustang wins out is value/pricing, braking, acceleration, mod potential/bang for the buck gains, practicality (more storage space).

The 370Z wins on handling (better slalom and shidpad numbers), braking is so close given the differnt tests I'd have to call it even (some have the stang with better numbers, some have the Z), and better road feel. The 'stang is certainly more upgradable, but that's not comparing the two cars directly. If you give the 370Z the same power to match the 'stang's speed (about 370 to 380 hp), it's the better sports car. Don't get me wrong, I love stangs having owned 2, but if you drop the power advantage, it comes up shy of the 370Z. This is why Nissan should focus all their efforts on power in the next upgrade, they've got great numbers everywhere else.

08-09-2010, 12:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
nuTinmuch A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,092 Drives: PG 7AT 370Z Rep Power: 18	Yeah, that's the thing -- the Mustang handles -really- well on a smooth surface, but the real axle shows itself when you hit some bumpy roads. I'd imagine that sort of sours the experience for most of us who drive on good ol' American roads. __________________ nuTinmuch! -- Platinum Graphite 370Z -- Check out my Gallery thread here!

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crf450 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: burleson, Texas Posts: 18 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 17	1.) 400 hp is very realistic and they could do it at almost no cost (i did it with different intake, exhaust and reflash, pully etc) 2.) increase cooling ability 3.) make sure sport pkg and nismo have track worthy brakes 4.) could use 30lbs of sound deading in back and lose 75lbs in front to improve weight dist. 5.) paint could be more chip resistant, I added clear bra I love this car and it rides and handles SOOOO nice , I have 21000 miles and loving it. I feel they could make these changes for less than $500 their cost if they wanted to.