I thought that options installed from factory (ie splash guards,sport package) are included in the calculations. But if you ask the dealer to add it on, it is not. Can anyone confirm from past buying experiences?

If you guys go here, it shows how Plan A/B works - the 4.3% is off the Base Invoice price then they add in all other discounts (this is great, you get the full 4.3% off the top level price maximizing your deduction). Then all options (i.e. Sports Package, Carpets, Kick Plates, 40th Anniv Package, etc.) are added back in - I assume you can still haggle with them over the option prices so check the Pricing thread here so you are up to speed on MSRP vs Invoice on those options. I posted this earlier to give you an idea of what I thought the deal was with this offer:

Here is what I came up with for 2010 Coupes:

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<TR><TH>Model<TH>Base MSRP<TH>Base Invoice<TH>Plan A/B (-4.3%)<TH>MSRP Savings<TH>Invoice Savings
<TR><TH>Base MT<TH>$29,990.00<TH>$28,099.00<TH>$26,890.74<TH>$3 ,099.26<TH>$1,208.26
<TR><TH>Base AT<TH>$31,460.00<TH>$29,474.00<TH>$28,206.62<TH>$3 ,253.38<TH>$1,267.38
<TR><TH>Touring MT <TH>$34,660.00<TH>$32,104.00<TH>$30,723.53<TH>$3,9 36.47<TH>$1,380.47
<TR><TH>Touring AT<TH>$36,130.00<TH>$33,464.00<TH>$32,025.05<TH>$4 ,104.95<TH>$1,438.95
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The Plan A/B column shows your starting price with NO options yet (almost $4k off MSRP on the Touring model seems like a great deal to me considering you haven't even started to haggle yet on the options). I would think you can use this on any vehicle - as long as you close the sale by 3/31 it should be valid. The best thing to do is approach the dealer and look closely at all the paperwork they supply you with comparing it to the information you have in this thread.

I'll try working up a spreadsheet but your best bet is to go to www.truecar.com - great site for figuring out true cost and then you can take the numbers you find there to calculate your VPP savings.

Good Luck!

Wow, thanks for posting that New Cars Pricing and Comparisons Local, Regional and National Car Price Reports at TrueCar link! That website is great!

Yes, I saw the table you created a few posts ago. When we bought my wife's altima a few years ago, this was the equation used to compute her out the door price.

* Dealer invoice
* Minus VPP discount (2.87%)
* Plus dealer added options, Security Plus, etc.
* Plus 2.5% delivery fee of dealer invoice after VPP discount has been subtracted
* Plus destination and handling charge
* Plus marketing assessment as applicable
* Minus applicable incentives
* Equals paticipant's purchase price

It looks like the only difference to that equation with Robert's plan would be the increased discount of 4.3% rather than the 2.87%. If I remember correctly, they added the dealer added options at invoice pricing.

The -2.87% and +2.5% is called Plan D - lots of people are eligible for that depending on who you work for and if they have a partnership with Nissan. Robert is basically being given the best option of all and passing it on to his friends here. The Plan D seems to involve a 2.87% discount and then the dealer pays 5% so they split the 5% in half and you pay 2.5% and they pay 2.5%. What Robert is offering doesn't have that added 5% cost so it really is a great deal - instead of getting a few hundred below invoice (Plan D) you are getting over a thousand below invoice (Plan A/B) but you don't have to haggle to get there.

You're welcome for the link - TrueCar is a great site - I actually found the link somewhere on this site for the first time. :)

Just called around in the area and I found the exact match to what I want! Now I am anxiously awaiting Robert's reply so I can go pick her up!

...returns to maniacally hitting F5 to refresh email inbox

Still can't find any 2010 Coupe 6MT Touring with Sport and Nav that's either Platinum Graphite, White or Red in Texas. My dealer thought he found a red one but it turned out to be a 7AT model. He sent me the pricing but didn't break it down by option:

Vehicle Price: $42,330.00
Preferred Customer Discount: -$5,111.93
Selling Price: $37,218.07

Although I want Nav, I'm skeptical that I'll find one in the color I like by the end of March. Even just 6MT Touring with Sport packages are hard to come by and non in the colors I want. Supposedly there are 40th Anniversary coupes coming in a week or two. That might be my only recourse here.

Anyone know any dealers out there that have 2010 6MT Coupe Touring with Sport and Nav?

There's a fully loaded Pearl White at Maroone Nissan of Miami. I also found one Red and two Platinum Graphite that have everything you want except Nav within 100 miles of Miami.

Also, I worked up this Excel spreadsheet today - it just has 2010 Coupe's in it (and no 40th Anniversary option) but I could expand it out a bit if folks find it helpful. I just used it to build your option - not sure where that $42,330 price is coming from - I see a sticker of $40,140 (without Destination & Handling charges) and a cost somewhere between $35,397 and $36,203 before any other dealer fees. I suppose he/she could be adding in the $720 destination fee and giving you the final cost including taxes, title, and tags. If its $37,218 out-the-door, then that's pretty good. Good Luck!

Am I wrong that we board members, who do not work for a Nissan affiliate, and are requesting a VPP claim check from Robert are classified as plan D? I am confused as everyone seems to be talking about the A/B category discounts.

Apparently, Nissan has re-instated the old "Sell 1" program that allows Robert to issue as many VPP Plan A/B claim numbers as he wants until 3/31. Seems like a smart thing for Nissan to do right now given all the bad press for Toyota. Has anyone that received a number from Robert actually closed a deal yet and willing to share their numbers?

Thanks, i'll check out miami. The price I posted is for an automatic and does include destination. Since it wasn't the car I wanted, I didn't ask for a breakdown.

Hi,

There are companies that are affiliated with Nissan that can take advantage of the VPP program and I believe that the discounts they get are essentially the same except, perhaps, for actual Nissan employees.

The difference with this current promotion is that I can give claim numbers that give the exact same discount that I can get walking into a showroom and buying a vehicle.

The "Plan" lettering can be confusing but what's important is the discount received. :)

By the way...I did get a bit behind but am working to catch up on everyone's request tonight (Saturday 2/27)...if you've requested a VPP number and haven't heard back from me sometime tonight please contact me again.

Thanks to everyone...the response has be great!

i went in today to several dealerships with my vpp, and no one seems to be able to find a 2010 base+sport (solid red) for me. =( im in dfw area and the only one they found was in mississippi.

they also said if i were to order one, it could take up to 3 months, now if i sign a deal with them using vpp now to get the car ordered, would it void itself out if the car really takes 3 months to get in and not before march 31st?? or am i not allowed to sign a deal using vpp until the car arrives?

it seems like im the only one with this issue.

they also found me a 2009 solid red base+sport that is slightly used, 400 miles, they were willing to sell it for 29,500. i thought that price was ridiculous.

MSRP for a 2010 Base 6MT with Sport is $33k and Invoice is $31k. If $29,500 was ridiculous what price did you have in mind? I'd bet that car has a few other options too so I'm thinking you'd be saving at least $2k on a new one and the '09 isn't even past the breakin point yet.

Wonder how far away these dealers do searches for? There's a Red 6MT with Sport near me in Clearwater, FL. Given they want to charge everyone $720 for destination they should be willing to go and get you that car no matter how far away it is. Really strange.

I'm assuming the VPP number can only be used when the car actually arrives and will probably be void past march 31st. I'd rather not take a chance and will most likely have to settle on something if my dealer can't get the car I'm looking for.

Why can't they get you the car from Mississippi? my dealer in houston said he's looking as far as kansas city, MO. I'm going to ask him about that car in miami that LinPark found. I kind of doubt he'll go through the trouble of getting it from that far but we'll see.

My fall back car will probably be either a Mont. Blue one fully loaded or 40th Anniv. Unless a new shipment magically appears in the next 3 weeks with the car I want... which could be possible as I'm not sure the accuracy of the inventory system.

Unfortunately, yes...they do expire on the 31st.

See my earlier post here:

Thanks again Robert!! Worked like a charm yesterday when I went into the dealer to take delivery. I gave them the VPP papers and no problem at all! They also had a 1k rebate if you owned a registered Toyota in the household. Cost of my car was 30,126 (base + sport, 6spd). Minus 1k for the Toyota rebate so before anything other fees the car was 29,126 + doc + reg + tax. 32.8k out the door w/ 3M clear bra! I am VERY HAPPY!!! can't wait to go to some meets this summer in the Jersey area!

If you don't mind, what dealership did you go to and what are the details about the toyota rebate? I wonder if my Scion would make me eligible for this as well?

Hi - I went to Hackensack Nissan in NJ. I'm not sure how long that Toyota rebate is good for though it might have been only through the end of Feb. I'm not sure if the Scion's count.

I believe that Scion nor Lexus counts, only Toyotas

Yup, you're right about that. Scion and Lexus are not eligible for that program.

Oh well, it was worth a shot. In any case, I may check that dealership out, especially since I live right near Hackensack.

can you clarify something for me...

so if you have robert's plan a/b, i understand you get the 4.3% discount. and if you had the plan d you got the 2.87% discount.

but i've read in some other forum that they charge a 5% dealer transport fee in plan d. dealer pays 2.5% and you pay 2.5%.

with that said, with plan a/b, do we pay the dealer transport fee of 2.5% as well? or does the dealer pay the whole transport fee themselves.

also when the dealer says "dealer trades" or "dealer swap" , is this referring to the transport fee?

i apologize ahead of time if these questions were already answered somewhere.

My dealer said the 40th edition was excluded from VPP...another lie maybe?

Seems like all the dealers around me have 1 40th edition available, not many ohter 2010's around.

I could be wrong for saying this, I don't think it's so much a lie.....but if it's optional for dealerships to participate with the VPP then no way any dealership will want to sell you the 40th anniversary edition using any discount when they could sell their 40th Anniversary at full price (MSRP) as they're limited. I would think dealerships would expect people to pay whatever price they demand. Whether if that's worth it, that's a different story, but I don't see any reason why any dealer would offer you any discount on the one car they could make the most profit on especially if the VPP participation is optional. This even goes for dealerships that gets more than 1 40th Anniversary Edition 370z.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only time I can see any dealership wanting to participate the VPP for the 40th anniversary or for any 370z or cars for that matter is they feel like they could use this VPP as their advantage to boost sales or to move more cars because they don't want too many of the same cars sitting around for a long period of time; they simply just want to make more sales. From a dealership perspective, as long as they're making money, even if it's a little from the VPP, they don't mind, but for the case of a 40th anniversary edition, I don't see why they'd let you pay under invoice for it when they could sell it for MSRP. Personally, if they're as hot as we all think, we should be surprise they don't jack it up above MSRP, I've seen scenarios like these before...do I think it's logical to buy a car above MSRP? I think that's ridiculous, but dealers can do whatever they want....it's all about supply and demand and timing. To put things in better perspective, the 40th Anniversary Edition's base price alone savings is already $4000 of profit a dealer is expecting to make, I highly doubt any dealerships out there would give up that much money for a VPP - what's in it for them?

I hope someone could agree with me.

At first I thought at an economy like this, dealers are having a hard time selling impractical cars like the 370z, maybe dealerships would do whatever it takes to boost their sales....apparently I was wrong about that last time I went into the dealership. Which is more reason why I am sure about what I said about the 40th Anniversary Edition.

Plan A/B doesn't include the 5% dealer transport fee from what I can see - since its a Nissan employee offer I guess they skip that part. Not sure about the "trades"/"swap" question. I think the intent of the VPP program is for you to choose a car on the lot - the dealer would prefer to not have to trade/swap with another on a car he's not gonna make a whole lot of money on anyway would be my guess.

Also, keep in the mind the 40th Anniv Edition is just a Touring with an additional package added on - you could get VPP on the Touring piece and then pay regular price for the package add-ons. I'm curious, I heard they are making 1,000 of the special editions - I would wager there are less than a 1,000 fully loaded Black Cherry ones out there for 2010 so which one is more rare? :)

I've talked to about 4 nearby dealers and they all said they accept VPP on the 40th anniversary. It's all about how much demand there is in your area.

Edit: In fact there's a guy in the new 370 owner section that bought it for VPP.

Balan - If you go to Hackensack Nissan, the guy I dealt with was Justin Pinton and he was pretty cool and relaxed. He is rather new but he isn't the pushy type of salesman and he's young too. Of course you can get anyone you want there but he was pretty good to deal with for me and we negotiated pretty hard with him and the manager :) If you want to mention my name (I don't get any referral fee), it's Chris Marrone w/ the blue 370Z that was just picked up this past weekend :) I'm bringing mine in today for the clear bra to be done!

Thanks for the input. I agree with you a fully loaded Black Cherry for 2010 is rare....as a matter of fact :iagree:, I can say the same about the 2010 Black on black fully loaded is Also rare because I've had dealership search Nissan USA and they only made 1 so far and it's sold already to somebody and there's none coming in their pipeline....unless, of course I go out there and custom configure one. Which can be done, just like the black cherry one you're referring to. But it's rare because you configure it the way you want it, or the dealership configured it the way they thought customer would want it. But it can be done, but the 40th Anniversary Edition is supposedly limited and you can't go back at the end of 2010 and expect to still be able to order it. Or 2015 and still order it. Maybe not the Cherry Blk because they'd have another limited ext. color again, but then again, the 40th anniversary edition has a lot more than just ext. color.

Now, the other question is DO I think the 40th anniversary is really that great and should be that exclusive to the point where it should be charged MSRP? I don't think so. But I'm just talking about my personal experience with all of the dealerships I've come in contact with here in California (especially the bay area) and most of them are counting on to make big bucks with the 40th anniversary edition models and don't intend to give me or anyone any discount on the 40th...they're asking no less than MSRP. Which is why I am glad to find out there are people (unfortunately from other states) able to use the VPP for it :tup:

I also think that the 40th is really nothing more to it being a touring...well, at least that's from our perspective....to Nissan that's a different story....it's their once in a lifetime 40th anniversary for the Z (and it does have limited branding things on it that makes it unique and cannot be custom ordered like the Cherry Blk fully loaded or the blk on blk fully loaded)

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That said, I suspect that finding a dealer who will do the VPP on the 40^th Anniversary model will likely be a bit difficult but certainly not impossible…at the end of the day, every dealer wants to sell cars!
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I have several requests for claim numbers to process that have come in since late Saturday night; I will likely not get to those until sometime this evening but I WILL get to them!

I just purchased my 2010 pearl white base+sport thanks to you Robert! Thank you so much! I have never felt so good on a deal like this. thanks to your vpp I came out saving more money than i had planned. Also because of my trade in, i only paid 800 bucks in taxes! win!!!

i will post pics of the z when it comes in this Wednesday =)

All caught up (at least for tonight!)...thanks to everyone for being patient!!!

same here! i bought a 2010 pearl white base+sport last night and the VPP info robert gave me worked like a charm. thanks robert!!!

For all you guys that are participating in this (and the one last spring/summer); if you really want to "pay me back" in some way, just plan to be here in Nashville for ZCON 2010 and the 40th Anniversary celebration of the Z!

As I've mentioned in my specific "ZCON thread" I'm going to try an organize some sort of "get together" for THE370Z.com folks and I'd love to see a lot of you there. :tiphat:

That new guy is me!!! I was able to buy it slightly below VPP price at Buena Park Nissan, but only after I started to leave the negotiating table. They initially stated that VPP was not available on the 40th anniversary. So, go negotiate yourself a good deal.

There was a bug in the previous spreadsheet so I've fixed that. I have also added the 40th Anniversary Package for those who want to play with that. I've split into a CalcCoupe and CalcRoadster tab so those of you looking for convertibles can play around also. Its not perfect because you can accidentally choose exclusive options (like 40th Anniv Package and Floor Mats for instance) but if you are careful it will give you a real good idea of where MSRP, Invoice, and VPP price fall out. Enjoy!

Sweeeet this is awesome. Now you need to add tax, title and license for all 50 states... LOL :)

LinPark, thanks for the zip file. I am going for a roadster touring 6MT. Your file says read only. Was it your intent to have us be able to input our data?? Is there a way for us to convert it to write also? Thanks!

I didn't think that I locked anything down on it - what version of Excel do you have? I think I built it in Excel 2007.

Does anyone know how to get in contact with Mr Nash aside from the forum's contact options? I've tried both PM and email and have not gotten a response yet.

I'm trying to finalize a deal tomorrow to officially become a part of the Z community and would like to get a VPP claim number before going to the dealer.

If anyone can personally contact him to respond to my PM/Email, it would be greatly appreciated.

:tup:

His last activity here was 3/3 at 3:19 PM - he should be around soon I would think though if I was him I'd be out in that Roadster he has. :)