Convince me to get a Nismo 370z.

DirtyDave

Frost, we're talking the exact same engine here. My guess is that the only difference in the 332 HP (Base) vs 350 HP (Nismo) is an overrating of the exhaust on the Nismo side. Since the exhaust is true dual it's going to be less restrictive thus giving the Nismo a slight edge. I'll be the first to admit that I buy an exhaust system for the sound and not the extra ponies. So given all that, what common sense argument says that the Base model is faster? I'll even give you that it may be equal but not faster.

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frost

:shrug: I'm not an engineer, so I honestly dont know why the regular would be faster than the nismo. Drag from the wing and other body kit parts? The difference in suspension not good for hooking up?

I just know we have someone who ran them back to back, and the touring was faster (forget the base). That being said, I do believe there could be variation. I know when I go to the track, there can be a difference in the numbers with the same car. So I would be willing to agree with you that they may be just about equal. But even if that were the case, and they are about equal, what is the justification for paying all that extra money?

And the answer can't be handling, because if memory serves me, the nismo did worse on the skidpad in most of the mags tests as well.

DirtyDave

The spending justification has never been my issue during the course of the thread. Only the claim that Base/Sport is faster than a Nismo. Everyone has their own justification for spending what they do on various things throughout their lives. I don't feel that I need to justify what I spent on my car or anything else I've bought in my lifetime to you. That's my business. My complaint is with guys that try to generalize Nismo buyers as being ***** just because they bought a Nismo.

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frost

You're shifting direction on me mate; if you wanna argue with whoever said nismo owners are asses, I can go take a nap because that wasn't me.

You seem pretty defensive against me for saying that the price of the nismo doesn't justify the costs, but that's what this thread is about. The original poster said "I can't seem to justify the price difference between the models, especially when it's just a few bolt-on upgrades" which is exactly what my post is about. great for you that you don't feel the need to justify what you spent (likely because you can't) or that it's none of my business (which by the way you made it my business when you decided to post in this thread), but this thread is about convincing the OP that spending the money on the nismo is justifiable, which unless I missed something, no one can seem to be able to do.

You asked for proof that the nismo may be slower than the standard, I provided it, and now you want to go off in a rant to distract from it, but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes, my wife tries that trick all the time.

frost

Just for fun (since I used to be an american muscle guy) I compared the Z to the vette as far as their track brands. If my math is off, feel free to correct me.
The nismo is 30-31% more expensive than the base Z. And for that extra cost, you get a 5% power increase. The z06 vette is 50% more than the base vette, but you get a 17% power increase (I wont even bother going into all the other goodies you get with a z06 to keep this simple). So, if the Z were to stay on par with this "lowly american brand," the nismo should either have more HP or cost less. And let's face it, the z06 is a real track car out of the box, and IMHO, the nismo is not.
I did this in percentage instead of actual dollars so no one could be distracted by the vette costing much more money.

FuszNissan

That is a very good point. But I don't think Nissan wants to get the Z up in that price range again. That is why the 300ZX TT died. Got to expensive and the vette was the better deal at that price point. Different strokes for different folks. I think the Nismo is a great looking car, but as far as price to performance I would go with a Touring..IMO

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DirtyDave

Maybe you should go back and read a little more carefully, specifically where I said:

To the OP, if you're looking for the best value, I agree that the Base/Sport is the best bang for the buck. But I will also say that sometimes you have to go with your gut over your brain. Do what you think is right for you. That's all that matters.

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frost

I see that post just fine, then I saw two of your post asking for proof about the base possibly being faster. I provided some proof, a couple hours later, here we are.