GT500 vs 370Z

ZKindaGuy · 01-05-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I had an 03 that ran 13.9-14.0 stock. 4.10 gears dropped that to 13.5. The 370 would ultimately pull it, but I can say without a doubt that my GT was quicker than my Z from a dig. From a roll would be another story, though, as we are talking 332+ to around 270hp.

As far as superchargers go, you can order your new 2010 GT with a blower. It's a FRPP kit that is usually dealer-installed before you take delivery. It's fully tuned and warranty supported.

As I said the GT's before 2005 I would believe the Z to pull but NOT "Kill". BTW the 03 GT's were making about 260 to the wheels not 270. The 2005 made about 265 to 270 to the wheels. The 2006 averaged about 275 to 279 to the rear wheels. The Shelby GT's were putting down 282 to 286 to the wheels...with an occasional Shelby GT freak putting 290 to 292 to the wheels.

I would say that the best claims that can be truthfully made by a Z owner is that they were trading noses with the later GT's from 2006 to 2009...they certainly were not "killing" them. ANother FACT...the 2010 Mustang GT's are about 2 to 4 HP short of what the Shelby GT's are making to the wheels.

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2010, 10:05 PM

The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it.

And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370.

Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest.

Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike!

The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces...

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2010, 10:05 PM

The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it.

And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370.

Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest.

Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike!

The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces...

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2010, 10:22 PM

Lmfao. Saleens are sort of a joke in the mustang world.... the attention seeking dbags either bought a saleen or bought the kit and graphics. Roush and Steeda are where its at.

Slynky · 01-05-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Lmfao. Saleens are sort of a joke in the mustang world.... the attention seeking dbags either bought a saleen or bought the kit and graphics. Roush and Steeda are where its at.

Well !!! I'm finally glad SOMEONE mentioned Roush. Was beginning to wonder if Shelby was the only aftermarket build that was going to be mentioned here. And, as a follower of 'Stangs for some time, I thought the Roush chassis was almost always considered better in handling than Shelby.

Outdated a little bit but...and since a Lotus was mentioned... (LOL)...

snotrocket · 01-04-2010, 11:49 PM

drove my friends 08 gt500 a couple of months ago. very solid car but very hard to drive. i never felt like i had full control of the car and i'm a decent driver. i was impressed with the overall quality in and out. i personally wouldn't own one but i can see how it appeals to others.

theDreamer · 01-05-2010, 01:27 PM

The new 5.0L is going to be 412HP at the crank (per Ford), but not sure on the torque yet.
It will be putting down big numbers but again, power to weight is a huge factor. It should be able to take on the Camaro SS in the straight fine, but it will be close and depend on all those little factors.

Zsteve · 01-05-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The new 5.0L is going to be 412HP at the crank (per Ford), but not sure on the torque yet.
It will be putting down big numbers but again, power to weight is a huge factor. It should be able to take on the Camaro SS in the straight fine, but it will be close and depend on all those little factors.

So for right now their 2010 includes a V6 4.0 210hp and V8 4.6 315hp. And another version is to come out with a 5.0 412hp as a 2010 car? Is it going to be just a GT or a GT500 or something like that? If thier 4.6 is only getting 315hp how are they going to get another 100 hp from .4 liters? Turbo or SC?

The Z needs another version with mo power but I guess they dont sell enough to justify it.

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

So for right now their 2010 includes a V6 4.0 210hp and V8 4.6 315hp. And another version is to come out with a 5.0 412hp as a 2010 car? Is it going to be just a GT or a GT500 or something like that? If thier 4.6 is only getting 315hp how are they going to get another 100 hp from .4 liters? Turbo or SC?

The Z needs another version with mo power but I guess they dont sell enough to justify it.

You generally can't look at those v8s in terms of hp per liter. They are not very stressed at all so there really is no point. If ford wanted they could have tuned the 4.6 to 412hp but the new 5L is just a better engine, and the added displacement will help with not needing to stress the engine much at all to put out those numbers.

The 4.6 is a great motor, but the 5 liter will be fantastic. More power, more efficient, and higher revs. Oh, it should be a little lighter, too.

I am pretty much in agreement with everyone else. The Z is a great car but it's underpowered. The stillen sc kit is pretty much a must for me right now!

Zsteve · 01-05-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

You generally can't look at those v8s in terms of hp per liter. They are not very stressed at all so there really is no point. If ford wanted they could have tuned the 4.6 to 412hp but the new 5L is just a better engine, and the added displacement will help with not needing to stress the engine much at all to put out those numbers.

The 4.6 is a great motor, but the 5 liter will be fantastic. More power, more efficient, and higher revs. Oh, it should be a little lighter, too.

I am pretty much in agreement with everyone else. The Z is a great car but it's underpowered. The stillen sc kit is pretty much a must for me right now!

Ive actually been alittle curious, worried that our cars engine has been tuned to near its maximum limit and was wondering what that will do for longgevity of our engine, will it last as long as others. So Im wondering if our engine is stressed to produce its power?

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Ive actually been alittle curious, worried that our cars engine has been tuned to near its maximum limit and was wondering what that will do for longgevity of our engine, will it last as long as others. So Im wondering if our engine is stressed to produce its power?

Our VVEL system is rather intricate... that's the only thing I wonder about in terms of long- term durability, but my guess is that a properly maintained and well cared for NA 3.7 should be as reliable as any other car.

WICKED_GRIN · 01-05-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

So for right now their 2010 includes a V6 4.0 210hp and V8 4.6 315hp. And another version is to come out with a 5.0 412hp as a 2010 car? Is it going to be just a GT or a GT500 or something like that? If thier 4.6 is only getting 315hp how are they going to get another 100 hp from .4 liters? Turbo or SC?

The Z needs another version with mo power but I guess they dont sell enough to justify it.

google

theDreamer · 01-05-2010, 01:40 PM

2010 - updated body and slight HP change
2011 - slight body change (mainly the V6) and 5.0L

I am not sure why Ford did what they did, maybe to make more money so people have to upgrade from a 2010 to a 2011 just for the new engine, who knows. Not sure how they are getting 100 more HP from just .4, but the 5.0L has been in long development and since the Camaro SS finally came out that put fire under Ford to make something that could beat the SS without a Turbo or SC.

theDreamer · 01-05-2010, 01:43 PM

Well just got some info from a co-worker:
~Variable valve timing on both cams
~4 valves per cylinder
~7,000 RPM limiter (This is a huge step for Ford)
~Bigger displacement

Those combined can give some good changes, also this is just at the crank, who knows how well it will do on a dyno.

280z/300zx · 01-05-2010, 02:31 PM

Not to mention Ford is currently saying they are hoping to keep weight down to around 3500lbs like the current GT mustang is. Current weight on the GT is 3533. Even if Ford adds a few pounds and ends up with a 3600lbs car with 412hp it's going to move pretty well. Not to mention it already corners pretty damn well for a muscle car with the track pack.

I just wonder if with all these 400hp 30k cars running around if Nissan is going to step it up or not. I love my Z but I hate to think it's already outdated in performance. Sure it out corners just about any other car in it's price but a little more power would be very nice. Give us our turbos back Nissan

01-04-2010, 10:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it. And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370. Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest. Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike! The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-04-2010, 10:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	The problem with the gts is they come with a very tall gear. A common mod is to swap the 3.31s for 4.10s. Instant 12 second passes with that mod. The 4.6 craves as much gear as you can throw at it. And for what its worth, the "track pack" (i.e. sport package) gts with the 3.55 gear have been tested to run 4.9 0-60 with a low 13 quarter, essentially even with a 370. Mod for mod the gt will beat the 370 in a straight line as well. Its just more suited for drag racing so it has an advantage there. The Z is definitely still a contender, though. I think our straight line performance really surprises a lot of people. The same can be said of the mustang on a road course. I don't care how much you hate live axles, a well driven Mustang is likely to surprise the hell out of you. I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't be able to shake a track pack gt at VIR, just like a lot of Mustang guys wouldn't be able to pull a Z in the quarter if its driven by one of our finest. Bottom line is they are both good cars whether anyone wants to admit it or not. As someone who has owned both, the Z is very comparable to a Mustang. In fact, my Z feels very much like my old Mustang... the engines drive EXACTLY the same... they feel so similar its scary. They even sound alike! The real funny thing to is that the rear end of the Z with its irs feels very similar to themustang over rough surfaces... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-04-2010, 10:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Lmfao. Saleens are sort of a joke in the mustang world.... the attention seeking dbags either bought a saleen or bought the kit and graphics. Roush and Steeda are where its at. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-05-2010, 01:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	The new 5.0L is going to be 412HP at the crank (per Ford), but not sure on the torque yet. It will be putting down big numbers but again, power to weight is a huge factor. It should be able to take on the Camaro SS in the straight fine, but it will be close and depend on all those little factors. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-05-2010, 01:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	2010 - updated body and slight HP change 2011 - slight body change (mainly the V6) and 5.0L I am not sure why Ford did what they did, maybe to make more money so people have to upgrade from a 2010 to a 2011 just for the new engine, who knows. Not sure how they are getting 100 more HP from just .4, but the 5.0L has been in long development and since the Camaro SS finally came out that put fire under Ford to make something that could beat the SS without a Turbo or SC. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-04-2010, 11:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
snotrocket Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 99 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 17	drove my friends 08 gt500 a couple of months ago. very solid car but very hard to drive. i never felt like i had full control of the car and i'm a decent driver. i was impressed with the overall quality in and out. i personally wouldn't own one but i can see how it appeals to others.

01-05-2010, 01:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Well just got some info from a co-worker: ~Variable valve timing on both cams ~4 valves per cylinder ~7,000 RPM limiter (This is a huge step for Ford) ~Bigger displacement Those combined can give some good changes, also this is just at the crank, who knows how well it will do on a dyno. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-05-2010, 02:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
280z/300zx Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 689 Drives: 280z, 300zx, Vette Rep Power: 273	Not to mention Ford is currently saying they are hoping to keep weight down to around 3500lbs like the current GT mustang is. Current weight on the GT is 3533. Even if Ford adds a few pounds and ends up with a 3600lbs car with 412hp it's going to move pretty well. Not to mention it already corners pretty damn well for a muscle car with the track pack. I just wonder if with all these 400hp 30k cars running around if Nissan is going to step it up or not. I love my Z but I hate to think it's already outdated in performance. Sure it out corners just about any other car in it's price but a little more power would be very nice. Give us our turbos back Nissan