HELP!! Has problem 7AT in MANUAL mode

370Z_Fan · 12-29-2009, 02:35 PM

Can you put the transmission into N (neutral) while in manual mode? Just curious.

nicknick · 12-29-2009, 03:22 PM

It seems to me some auto drivers think they have a manual car just because they drive around in manual mode all the time. This is a normal auto trasmission guys with a torque converter, I don't think it was designed to be driven like a manual alll the time, that would be a DSG type gearbox you're wanting. It sounds to me some auto guys wanted a manual but caould not be bothered shifting using a clutch. I don't know/think that thisauto would hold up well under these conditions, i beleive the manuafacturer probably intended for it to be used as an auto with the ocasional foray into m mode. jmho.

OldGuy · 12-29-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

It seems to me some auto drivers think they have a manual car just because they drive around in manual mode all the time. This is a normal auto trasmission guys with a torque converter, I don't think it was designed to be driven like a manual alll the time, that would be a DSG type gearbox you're wanting. It sounds to me some auto guys wanted a manual but caould not be bothered shifting using a clutch. I don't know/think that thisauto would hold up well under these conditions, i beleive the manuafacturer probably intended for it to be used as an auto with the ocasional foray into m mode. jmho.

Sorry. Computer malfunction.

OldGuy · 12-29-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OldGuy

Sorry. Computer malfunction.

I was just writing that I like the Z automatic. Nice ride with it and no distractions. Maybe I'll play with the paddles in a few months but had I wanted to shift I would have bought the manual.

wstar · 12-30-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z_Fan

Can you put the transmission into N (neutral) while in manual mode? Just curious.

Unfortunately, no. You can shift the stick (through D) back to N, but then re-engagement in the gear you really want is a problem (for example, if you wanted to pull hard through 3rd, then drop into neutral for a few seconds, then re-engage 3rd, you can't really do that). I still use the stick to flip over to N when I'm coming down to a stop though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicknick

It seems to me some auto drivers think they have a manual car just because they drive around in manual mode all the time. This is a normal auto trasmission guys with a torque converter, I don't think it was designed to be driven like a manual alll the time, that would be a DSG type gearbox you're wanting. It sounds to me some auto guys wanted a manual but caould not be bothered shifting using a clutch. I don't know/think that thisauto would hold up well under these conditions, i beleive the manuafacturer probably intended for it to be used as an auto with the ocasional foray into m mode. jmho.

Actually, it holds up fine. If they didn't intend for it to be used, they wouldn't have put it on the car. Not being complete idiots, most people who bought the 7AT realize that AT stands for Automatic Transmission. We're aware it has a torque converter. Driving it in M all the time works great, and in high rpm situations with the xmission fully warmed up, the shifts are quite snappy. I'll summarize the real-world-important tradeoffs for you (for a person choosing between the 6MT and driving the 7AT in M mode all the time):

7AT Pros:
No clutch to mess with in daily driving.
You can put it in D when one hand is distracted by something or other and you're in a casual situation.
You can let your girlfriend (or other random person) drive your drunk *** home without worrying about them burning up your clutch or shocking your drivetrain.
Wider gearing range in both directions (lower lowest gear, higher highest gear, when you include the different rear diff in the calculations).
More initial torque thanks to the torque multiplication of the torque converter.
Easier launches.
One less task for your brain to deal with in complex driving situations (all shifts are just pushbutton clicks, allowing you to focus more attention on things like steering angle, wheel slip, body roll, throttle position, the other nearby cars, etc)
Both hands on the wheel all the time while shifting.

6MT Pros:
The 6MT can shift faster (assuming the user isn't an idiot)
The 6MT can be easily re-engaged from neutral to any chosen gear, the 7AT can't.
The 6MT makes you feel like a real man, thus empowering your internet forum e-penis, allowing you to poke fun at girly 7AT drivers.

nicknick · 12-30-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Unfortunately, no. You can shift the stick (through D) back to N, but then re-engagement in the gear you really want is a problem (for example, if you wanted to pull hard through 3rd, then drop into neutral for a few seconds, then re-engage 3rd, you can't really do that). I still use the stick to flip over to N when I'm coming down to a stop though.

Actually, it holds up fine. If they didn't intend for it to be used, they wouldn't have put it on the car. Not being complete idiots, most people who bought the 7AT realize that AT stands for Automatic Transmission. We're aware it has a torque converter. Driving it in M all the time works great, and in high rpm situations with the xmission fully warmed up, the shifts are quite snappy. I'll summarize the real-world-important tradeoffs for you (for a person choosing between the 6MT and driving the 7AT in M mode all the time):

7AT Pros:
No clutch to mess with in daily driving.
You can put it in D when one hand is distracted by something or other and you're in a casual situation.
You can let your girlfriend (or other random person) drive your drunk *** home without worrying about them burning up your clutch or shocking your drivetrain.
Wider gearing range in both directions (lower lowest gear, higher highest gear, when you include the different rear diff in the calculations).
More initial torque thanks to the torque multiplication of the torque converter.
Easier launches.
One less task for your brain to deal with in complex driving situations (all shifts are just pushbutton clicks, allowing you to focus more attention on things like steering angle, wheel slip, body roll, throttle position, the other nearby cars, etc)
Both hands on the wheel all the time while shifting.

6MT Pros:
The 6MT can shift faster (assuming the user isn't an idiot)
The 6MT can be easily re-engaged from neutral to any chosen gear, the 7AT can't.
The 6MT makes you feel like a real man, thus empowering your internet forum e-penis, allowing you to poke fun at girly 7AT drivers.

Well that's it then, that last point is all that matters isnt it? I'm detecting bias towards the AT from you, I guess both are good transmissions but I am just concerned/questioning the reliabilty/durability of the auto. Also judging by the lack of forum complaints regarding the auto I can surmise it is ok.

Cyberium · 01-02-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

The 6MT makes you feel like a real man, thus empowering your internet forum e-penis, allowing you to poke fun at girly 7AT drivers.

NXTAZEE · 12-30-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

It seems to me some auto drivers think they have a manual car just because they drive around in manual mode all the time. This is a normal auto trasmission guys with a torque converter, I don't think it was designed to be driven like a manual alll the time, that would be a DSG type gearbox you're wanting. It sounds to me some auto guys wanted a manual but caould not be bothered shifting using a clutch. I don't know/think that thisauto would hold up well under these conditions, i beleive the manuafacturer probably intended for it to be used as an auto with the ocasional foray into m mode. jmho.

Yes we are all uninformed lazy idiots who couldn't be bothered shifting gears with a manual clutch

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cpehaot · 01-03-2010, 05:06 PM

Not another war between AT and Manual ..... can we all get along and agree that it is a great car??? With that said. I was driving my girl the other night and I remember someone memtioning having her hand on the stick (car) and his over it to shift... I tried it Great Idea man!!!

Trips · 12-29-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z_Fan

Can you put the transmission into N (neutral) while in manual mode? Just curious.

No! you have to move the shifter to the N position

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12-29-2009, 02:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
370Z_Fan Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 238 Drives: 2010 MB ZR sport pkg Rep Power: 18	Can you put the transmission into N (neutral) while in manual mode? Just curious.

12-29-2009, 03:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 18	It seems to me some auto drivers think they have a manual car just because they drive around in manual mode all the time. This is a normal auto trasmission guys with a torque converter, I don't think it was designed to be driven like a manual alll the time, that would be a DSG type gearbox you're wanting. It sounds to me some auto guys wanted a manual but caould not be bothered shifting using a clutch. I don't know/think that thisauto would hold up well under these conditions, i beleive the manuafacturer probably intended for it to be used as an auto with the ocasional foray into m mode. jmho.

01-03-2010, 05:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
cpehaot Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: California Posts: 46 Drives: Black STD Z370 Tour Rep Power: 17	Not another war between AT and Manual ..... can we all get along and agree that it is a great car??? With that said. I was driving my girl the other night and I remember someone memtioning having her hand on the stick (car) and his over it to shift... I tried it Great Idea man!!!