370 debate on Camaro board

The Geek · 01-16-2009, 04:01 PM

What Ford needs to do is put some wider rubber on the back of their anything highter then a base GT...I think I read somewhere that the GT500 KR was really hurt, acceleration-wise, because it couldn't hook up with such narrow tires in the rear...

CrownR426 · 01-16-2009, 04:31 PM

Overall, ford, gm, chev have got to step up to the game...
It's about time to think about the buyers wallets not just theirs.
And invest in some decent engineers PLEASE!

Crash · 01-16-2009, 09:19 PM

The suspension on the 05+ GTs were modeled after the 93+ F-bodies. That being said, I was a bit disappointed to see them put 235's on the Mustang GT. Then even more disappointed to find out that you had to buy 15K more worth of Ford Power Failure to get wider tires.

I don't mean to bring it down to this (especially since I REALLY disagree with what I'm about to say) but Ford pushes Mustangs below the "premium" trims (like cobra) to girls because they think that girls won't care. Ford's thinking is that girls will think the Mustang is "cute" so they'll buy it.

I fortunately know lots of girls that are GREAT drivers and know better than to buy a Mustang. But not everyone grows up with a car-obsessed family.

tvfreakazoid · 01-17-2009, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash

The suspension on the 05+ GTs were modeled after the 93+ F-bodies. That being said, I was a bit disappointed to see them put 235's on the Mustang GT. Then even more disappointed to find out that you had to buy 15K more worth of Ford Power Failure to get wider tires.

I don't mean to bring it down to this (especially since I REALLY disagree with what I'm about to say) but Ford pushes Mustangs below the "premium" trims (like cobra) to girls because they think that girls won't care. Ford's thinking is that girls will think the Mustang is "cute" so they'll buy it.

I fortunately know lots of girls that are GREAT drivers and know better than to buy a Mustang. But not everyone grows up with a car-obsessed family.

Yea I agree with you that ford probably pushes it to girls or women. I see a lot of them driving it. You don't see to many women driving camaros, trans am's.

For the newer stangs, do they make corbra versions of them? Or is it just for 03 and 04.

Crash · 01-17-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Yea I agree with you that ford probably pushes it to girls or women. I see a lot of them driving it. You don't see to many women driving camaros, trans am's.

For the newer stangs, do they make corbra versions of them? Or is it just for 03 and 04.

03-04 where the only ones with that power. Ford doesn't currently offer an SVT Cobra right now. Just the Shelby line-up.

There were SVTs before the 03-04s, but they weren't all that fast. Maybe 14.3 in the 1/4 mile.

I want kids. 2 for sure, maybe more if I can afford it. NONE of them will touch ANY of my cars!

frost · 01-17-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

03-04 where the only ones with that power. Ford doesn't currently offer an SVT Cobra right now. Just the Shelby line-up.

There were SVTs before the 03-04s, but they weren't all that fast. Maybe 14.3 in the 1/4 mile.

I want kids. 2 for sure, maybe more if I can afford it. NONE of them will touch ANY of my cars!

I thought I remembered hearing that those cars broke all the time because of the power. Not sure what was breaking though, drive shafts? Rear ends?

LiquidZ · 01-17-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

I thought I remembered hearing that those cars broke all the time because of the power. Not sure what was breaking though, drive shafts? Rear ends?

I don't believe that at all. The Cobra was nearly indestructible. Now, people who dragged the car would swap out the IRS for an SRA, so I would assume people were breaking half-shafts, if anything, but all in all, the car was called a terminator for a reason.

frost · 01-17-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

I don't believe that at all. The Cobra was nearly indestructible. Now, people who dragged the car would swap out the IRS for an SRA, so I would assume people were breaking half-shafts, if anything, but all in all, the car was called a terminator for a reason.

Yeah, it's been so long since I remember hearing it, I didn't want to say it as fact. It would make sense that they would consistently break half shafts however. Still, a very mean car.

Crash · 01-17-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

I don't believe that at all. The Cobra was nearly indestructible. Now, people who dragged the car would swap out the IRS for an SRA, so I would assume people were breaking half-shafts, if anything, but all in all, the car was called a terminator for a reason.

DING! That's correct.

The 4.6 32valve motor that they put in those cars were FULLY BUILT! LOL! They put down loads of power and stayed completely reliable. Most just did the package deal (smaller S/C pullie, bigger innercooler, and tune) and did VERY good numbers. Fact is that those motors were great motors for making easy power. The 5.0 Fox bodies also had forged bottom ends! I'm pretty impressed with that stuff. (Although, a friend of mine with a bone-stock 5.0 just snapped the crank somehow. We're not sure how he did it.)

I'd like to see GM come up with ANYTHING close to what the SVT 4.6L did. Problem is that GM cuts as many corners as possible. I used to be a GM fanboy, but now I can't stand them. I'd still love to own a '95 Zr1, but in the end, GM is a dead cause. If they pulled a 180 on their politics, got less greedy, spent more money on quality and less on design, and stopped getting lazy with their engineering, I'd like them again.

LiquidZ · 01-17-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

03-04 where the only ones with that power. Ford doesn't currently offer an SVT Cobra right now. Just the Shelby line-up.

There were SVTs before the 03-04s, but they weren't all that fast. Maybe 14.3 in the 1/4 mile.

I want kids. 2 for sure, maybe more if I can afford it. NONE of them will touch ANY of my cars!

I would just to like to clarify on something... SVT is indeed still around. Shelby just stuck his name on their car.

Has anybody seen the cam covers on the new Cobra? Says "powered by SVT" right on them.

Crash · 01-17-2009, 05:07 PM

That interesting. I didn't know they did that. I knew SVT was still there, just didn't think they were doing anything for the Mustangs.

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Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 591	The suspension on the 05+ GTs were modeled after the 93+ F-bodies. That being said, I was a bit disappointed to see them put 235's on the Mustang GT. Then even more disappointed to find out that you had to buy 15K more worth of Ford Power Failure to get wider tires. I don't mean to bring it down to this (especially since I REALLY disagree with what I'm about to say) but Ford pushes Mustangs below the "premium" trims (like cobra) to girls because they think that girls won't care. Ford's thinking is that girls will think the Mustang is "cute" so they'll buy it. I fortunately know lots of girls that are GREAT drivers and know better than to buy a Mustang. But not everyone grows up with a car-obsessed family. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

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Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 591	That interesting. I didn't know they did that. I knew SVT was still there, just didn't think they were doing anything for the Mustangs. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

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The Geek Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: WV Posts: 100 Drives: 07 Honda Civic Rep Power: 18	What Ford needs to do is put some wider rubber on the back of their anything highter then a base GT...I think I read somewhere that the GT500 KR was really hurt, acceleration-wise, because it couldn't hook up with such narrow tires in the rear...