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the wheels are disgusting. the front end is decent, but waaayyyy low. need to see those hi-res stills of the interior and some dyno numbers

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Old 11-25-2009, 09:20 AM   #16 (permalink)
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the wheels are disgusting. the front end is decent, but waaayyyy low. need to see those hi-res stills of the interior and some dyno numbers
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the shiny blue leather on the seat bolsters is icky. i'm thinking more like a rsx-r cobalt felt-ish material instead.

WTF?! this car has headlight washers?!?!?!
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Mamma mia!! con quelle porte ad ala di gabbiano avete trasformato una bella macchina in una terronata!!
Ma dai!!Andate avanti a fare le gomme ricoperte che è meglio!
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Would look better in Solid Red.
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HHO =

Water Car Test - HHO Shows Why You Can't Run Cars on Water - Popular Mechanics

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

"Many alleged water-fuelled cars obtain hydrogen or a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen (sometimes called "oxyhydrogen", "HHO", or "Brown's Gas") by the electrolysis of water, a process that must be powered electrically. The hydrogen or oxyhydrogen is then burned, supposedly powering the car and also providing the energy to electrolyse more water. The overall process can be represented by the following chemical equations:
2H2O → 2H2 + O2 [Electrolysis step]
2H2 + O2 → 2H2O [Combustion step]
Since the combustion step is the exact reverse of the electrolysis step, the energy released in combustion exactly equals the energy consumed in the electrolysis step, and—even assuming 100% efficiency—there would be no energy left over to power the car. In other words, such systems start and end in the same thermodynamic state, and are therefore perpetual motion machines, violating the first law of thermodynamics. And under actual conditions in which hydrogen is burned, efficiency is limited by the second law of thermodynamics and is likely to be around 20%.[9][10] More energy is therefore required to drive the electrolysis cell than can be extracted from burning the resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture."
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I don't know, the gull wing doors don't bother me as much as it does some of you guys. I don't think I would call it white trash. Those doors on a Ford Probe... maybe.

in any case I wouldn't put any of this on my car.
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and dangerous! hydrogen is very explosive. imagine being rear ended while carrying a hydrogen tank in the rear hatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A hydrogen explosion is actually safer than a gasoline explosion - hydrogen burns extremely quickly, whereas gasoline is a relatively slow burning fuel (the slow burning causes much more damage).
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the wheels are disgusting. the front end is decent, but waaayyyy low. need to see those hi-res stills of the interior and some dyno numbers
There are some photos at the end of this article

MARANGONI 370Z-HYDRO: WASSER UND BLAUE REIFEN NISSANFANBLOG

Look at the front photo of the engine...

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The Lambo Doors are a little off as are the horrid wheel. But this look is all the rage with European Tuners at the moment (so to be a crowd favourite/best of show youre gonna need to do that). Apart from that this car is mega! Developing a car that runs on hydrogen is no mean feat and to do it to a fantastic 370z is awesome!
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The Lambo Doors are a little off as are the horrid wheel. But this look is all the rage with European Tuners at the moment (so to be a crowd favourite/best of show youre gonna need to do that). Apart from that this car is mega! Developing a car that runs on hydrogen is no mean feat and to do it to a fantastic 370z is awesome!
You have exactly understood the objective of this creation, this car is for people like you who can see beyond "taste" of a wheel or the color of a body (although for tuning, here in Europe this car has a great expression), is more of a tuning, is a gamble, for bringing a car of this kind in a transformation that no one would dare to do, is a revolution.
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I wouldn't dismiss the HHO quite so quickly. The developers of this car clearly know the basic chemistry involved in separating hydrogen from oxygen and recombining them. The HHO gas maybe acting as a catalyst to improve the efficiency of the gasoline combustion allowing a leaner fuel mixture. Look at water injectors used to allow higher compression motors to run turbo's. I'm sure someone told them they couldn't make more power because water doesn't burn.
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I'm sure someone told them they couldn't make more power because water doesn't burn.
In fact the study and subsequent tests could be to increase the power always using the HHO
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A hydrogen explosion is actually safer than a gasoline explosion - hydrogen burns extremely quickly, whereas gasoline is a relatively slow burning fuel (the slow burning causes much more damage).
Lol - sorry I got a kick out of that one I guess it really depends on the situation. Put it this way a mixture of gasoline/air is explosive from 1.7 - 7.6% gasoline whereas hydrogen is explosive from 4-75%. Acetylene is the only other one off the top of my head that has such a huge explosive range. I'm willing to bet that a hydrogen explosion of the same volume is going to give you more "bang for your buck" so to speak.

From what I can tell is Hydrogen is basically I high power density medium - you can get a lot of power in a small area. There is so much energy available on earth - its just a matter of gathering it up to use it. Electric cars will be the future and when we figure out how to increase the range our beloved gas guzzlers will be relegated to the museums or electric conversions. Anyhow I'm mumbling - the point is it takes so much energy to get raw hydrogen that its really not viable at this point in time. We need to get to work to harness all the free energy that's available but that requires spending the money on the infrastructure, etc. Once we have that in place then we can convert the energy into other forms.
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There seem to be a couple of misconceptions in this thread...

1) The car does not run on Hydrogen.
It runs on regular petrol/gasoline. It uses a hydrogen booster that converts water on-demand to a hydrogen/Oxygen gas mixture that is injected into the intake that catalyses the burn increasing the amount of fuel combusted. This increases efficiency. Another company doing a lot of work in this area is Ronn Motors The Limited Edition Scorpion HX?

2) There is overwhelming anecdotal evidence of "water-power" being feasible
Inefficiencies of electrolysis is one of the reasons that hydro-boosters are used rather than trying to fuel the car entirely on hydrogen... But there are those that have allegedly discovered more efficient means using electrical pulses that "fracture" the molecular bonds reportedly by amplifying the resonation of the molecules until they separate. Google people like Stan Meyer and Denny Klien to find out more.

Meyer's design of the 90s successfully produced enough Hydrogen on demand to entirely power a car. He was repeatedly refused a patent on the grounds that it broke laws of physics until he took the device into the patent office and switched it on. The patent was issued. His device is covered in this 1990s episode of respected British science programme Equinox: Stan Meyer - It Runs On Water ( Full ) Hydrogen Oxygen ( HHO ) - Zero Point Energy

Meyer miniaturised his device into a prototype that could be fitted to most road cars. He died months before taking it from prototype to production, soon after he had alleged that he had refused billions offered by oil consortiums for his design. Conspiracy theories are rife of course... I prefer to stick to the facts rather than speculate on any unproven relationships between events and his untimely death. Meyer was very untrusting and highly secretive, no one was able to reproduce his results because no one knew all the details of the design. A growing community is getting closer to achieving the same results since his patent expired. One place to start is here: YouTube - ZeroFossilFuel's Channel

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