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Originally Posted by nogoodname I said would be cool, no enviroment blah and dangerous! hydrogen is very explosive. imagine being rear ended while carrying a hydrogen tank in the rear

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Old 11-25-2009, 07:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I said would be cool, no enviroment blah
and dangerous! hydrogen is very explosive. imagine being rear ended while carrying a hydrogen tank in the rear hatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and dangerous! hydrogen is very explosive. imagine being rear ended while carrying a hydrogen tank in the rear hatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A hydrogen explosion is actually safer than a gasoline explosion - hydrogen burns extremely quickly, whereas gasoline is a relatively slow burning fuel (the slow burning causes much more damage).
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A hydrogen explosion is actually safer than a gasoline explosion - hydrogen burns extremely quickly, whereas gasoline is a relatively slow burning fuel (the slow burning causes much more damage).
Lol - sorry I got a kick out of that one I guess it really depends on the situation. Put it this way a mixture of gasoline/air is explosive from 1.7 - 7.6% gasoline whereas hydrogen is explosive from 4-75%. Acetylene is the only other one off the top of my head that has such a huge explosive range. I'm willing to bet that a hydrogen explosion of the same volume is going to give you more "bang for your buck" so to speak.

From what I can tell is Hydrogen is basically I high power density medium - you can get a lot of power in a small area. There is so much energy available on earth - its just a matter of gathering it up to use it. Electric cars will be the future and when we figure out how to increase the range our beloved gas guzzlers will be relegated to the museums or electric conversions. Anyhow I'm mumbling - the point is it takes so much energy to get raw hydrogen that its really not viable at this point in time. We need to get to work to harness all the free energy that's available but that requires spending the money on the infrastructure, etc. Once we have that in place then we can convert the energy into other forms.
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There seem to be a couple of misconceptions in this thread...

1) The car does not run on Hydrogen.
It runs on regular petrol/gasoline. It uses a hydrogen booster that converts water on-demand to a hydrogen/Oxygen gas mixture that is injected into the intake that catalyses the burn increasing the amount of fuel combusted. This increases efficiency. Another company doing a lot of work in this area is Ronn Motors The Limited Edition Scorpion HX?

2) There is overwhelming anecdotal evidence of "water-power" being feasible
Inefficiencies of electrolysis is one of the reasons that hydro-boosters are used rather than trying to fuel the car entirely on hydrogen... But there are those that have allegedly discovered more efficient means using electrical pulses that "fracture" the molecular bonds reportedly by amplifying the resonation of the molecules until they separate. Google people like Stan Meyer and Denny Klien to find out more.

Meyer's design of the 90s successfully produced enough Hydrogen on demand to entirely power a car. He was repeatedly refused a patent on the grounds that it broke laws of physics until he took the device into the patent office and switched it on. The patent was issued. His device is covered in this 1990s episode of respected British science programme Equinox: Stan Meyer - It Runs On Water ( Full ) Hydrogen Oxygen ( HHO ) - Zero Point Energy

Meyer miniaturised his device into a prototype that could be fitted to most road cars. He died months before taking it from prototype to production, soon after he had alleged that he had refused billions offered by oil consortiums for his design. Conspiracy theories are rife of course... I prefer to stick to the facts rather than speculate on any unproven relationships between events and his untimely death. Meyer was very untrusting and highly secretive, no one was able to reproduce his results because no one knew all the details of the design. A growing community is getting closer to achieving the same results since his patent expired. One place to start is here: YouTube - ZeroFossilFuel's Channel

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