Who loves/hates their Z?

RomerZ · 06-19-2015, 07:49 PM

I love my Z and will probably get a second 370Z in the near future just because I love it so much. 2016 Subaru BRZ STi is pretty nice but nothing compares to a Z to me.

cooltoy · 06-19-2015, 08:08 PM

I only wish the stereo controls were on the right side of the steering wheel. Is there a DIY for that?

kuruzero · 06-19-2015, 08:10 PM

I love my Z too but honestly if there's anywhere I'd expect heavy praise and heavy criticisms it'd be a car forum dedicated to the platform... Considering the cost of these cars, imo most of the complaints on this forum are constructive criticism for Nissan as more threads are of the extremely valid than petty whining complaints.

There's minor issues like the one OP mentioned but theres also several long lasting issues that Nissan just seems to refuse to fix. Not liking aspects of your car doesnt mean you dislike it as a whole. I also disagree that the public's opinions dont matter. Especially for the Z which isnt selling remotely as well as Nissan wanted it to. If fixing a major public gripe will lead to more sales and better consumer reviews, it's more likely to get fixed. Nissan isnt going to go out of their way to spend more money and quickly fix issues unless theres a segment of owners holding their feet to the fire via press and public perception. Will they ignore alot of it? Sure. But some of it will also cause positive changes for future models.

GZ3 · 06-19-2015, 08:37 PM

Poeple bitch allot, its an amazing sports car... But the gripe that does hold water is it needs more power to keep being competitive. The gen maro is kill the bang for crown off the 5.0... These were thr Z's direct compitition... Its just fallen behind on power. But i realized the grass isnt greener on thr other side. This is thr car for me

vtec to vvel · 06-19-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Birdfan67

Being in the auto industry as I've been for years..BMW,Mercedes,Honda,Acura...there is NO perfect car. Even the 100K BMW 7 series which is a nice car...will garner complaints. There is going to be something to complain about or make a wish list. Manufactures make all efforts to listen to the consumer, tough to please millions and millions of people for 1 particular model.
Taking the Z for what it is...conforming to affordability, dependability it's hard to beat.. sure you can buy Camaro's, Mustangs and such...but look how early and often the body style changes..and rebates they put on them the week they come out.
Sometimes being on the road is a pain in the ***...I always have trucks creeping on my rear end...i look in my rear view mirror and all I see is grill...it pisses me off to no end.
and parking is always challenging... I park wwwwaaaaay out in the sticks at the mall...and some goon will park next to my Z in a piece of ****..heaven help if I see a ding !
Any way chin up...The Z is one of the highest rated sports cars you can buy...overall dependability is second to none.

And it's sexy !!

couldn't agree more. as i have said, there's always room for improvement for any car company.

i have no tolerance for tailgaters - there's no reason for it. so i make sure that they are even later to wherever they need to go.

parking is a challenge. it's funny how that happens, where you park in no man's land and some douche always decides to park next to you.

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Originally Posted by kuruzero

I love my Z too but honestly if there's anywhere I'd expect heavy praise and heavy criticisms it'd be a car forum dedicated to the platform... Considering the cost of these cars, imo most of the complaints on this forum are constructive criticism for Nissan as more threads are of the extremely valid than petty whining complaints.

There's minor issues like the one OP mentioned but theres also several long lasting issues that Nissan just seems to refuse to fix. Not liking aspects of your car doesnt mean you dislike it as a whole.I also disagree that the public's opinions dont matter.Especially for the Z which isnt selling remotely as well as Nissan wanted it to. If fixing a major public gripe will lead to more sales and better consumer reviews, it's more likely to get fixed. Nissan isnt going to go out of their way to spend more money and quickly fix issues unless theres a segment of owners holding their feet to the fire via press and public perception. Will they ignore alot of it? Sure. But some of it will also cause positive changes for future models.

if you are a major company, like nissan, chances are, the public's opinion will not matter, and if it does, it does not carry as much weight as you think. for a major company, profit > public opinion. you even stated that they will ignore alot of it, if not all of it.

public gripe doesn't mean sh*t to car companies because even if you don't buy it, there will always be that audience that will. take a look at ford - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE, yet people buy them.

also, if you actually read the threads that contain the complaints, it's more of a venting fest, rather than constructive criticism. there are some that are legit complaints, though.

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Originally Posted by GZ3

Poeple bitch allot, its an amazing sports car... But the gripe that does hold water is it needs more power to keep being competitive. The gen maro is kill the bang for crown off the 5.0... These were thr Z's direct compitition... Its just fallen behind on power. But i realized the grass isnt greener on thr other side. This is thr car for me

yes, i do agree that the Z has fallen in ranks in terms of its competition. however, keep this in mind. the 370Z came out in late 2008, with no engine refresh/updates and still uses the same engine. for what it is, it was on top when it first debuted. for example, take a look at a 2009 ford mustang and how many refreshes/engine upgrades did it receive from then to now?

GZ3 · 06-20-2015, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

couldn't agree more. as i have said, there's always room for improvement for any car company.

i have no tolerance for tailgaters - there's no reason for it. so i make sure that they are even later to wherever they need to go.

parking is a challenge. it's funny how that happens, where you park in no man's land and some douche always decides to park next to you.

if you are a major company, like nissan, chances are, the public's opinion will not matter, and if it does, it does not carry as much weight as you think. for a major company, profit > public opinion. you even stated that they will ignore alot of it, if not all of it.

public gripe doesn't mean sh*t to car companies because even if you don't buy it, there will always be that audience that will. take a look at ford - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE, yet people buy them.

also, if you actually read the threads that contain the complaints, it's more of a venting fest, rather than constructive criticism. there are some that are legit complaints, though.

yes, i do agree that the Z has fallen in ranks in terms of its competition. however, keep this in mind. the 370Z came out in late 2008, with no engine refresh/updates and still uses the same engine. for what it is, it was on top when it first debuted. for example, take a look at a 2009 ford mustang and how many refreshes/engine upgrades did it receive from then to now?

It did come out and was on top for a while, but why hasnt nissan refreshed the performance? Idk... Almost every car gets a bump in power at some point. I dont mind it anymore because ive been in faster cars, so i have figured out exactly what i want out of a performance car. This car makes me happy on so many levels. Its my all in one. Yea ford nailed it though with the coyote motor...

kuruzero · 06-20-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

if you are a major company, like nissan, chances are, the public's opinion will not matter, and if it does, it does not carry as much weight as you think. for a major company, profit > public opinion. you even stated that they will ignore alot of it, if not all of it.

public gripe doesn't mean sh*t to car companies because even if you don't buy it, there will always be that audience that will. take a look at ford - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE, yet people buy them.

also, if you actually read the threads that contain the complaints, it's more of a venting fest, rather than constructive criticism. there are some that are legit complaints, though.

Obviously profit is the priority but if you dont think public opinion/perception can directly affect profit and therefore Nissan's decision making I think you're kidding yourself. Look a the low sales numbers. The 370z isnt a car that Nissan can just throw out at the public and ignore all feedback because it'll get sold regardless. Public opinion definitely matters when it comes to a niche car like the 370z. Even more so BECAUSE the target demo isnt very large. Its already been shown that public gripes and perceptions have led to changes. Ill just name a few. You think Nissan added an oil cooler out of the kindness of their heart or because it was an absolute necessity? You think 15+ Nismos took away the wing and made the ride a little softer just because? How about the price decrease? Because Nissan wanted to help us out? Auto option for 15+ Nismos?

These changes came about due to public opinion, owner's continued gripes, and/or major publication auto reviews that shaped perception and therefore possibly future sales. These changes cost money and wouldnt likely happen unless Nissan felt it'd lead to more prospective buyers and sales. Continued oil temp gripes from owners and reviewers. Constant rear visibility and public opinion(not necessarily core demo opinion) that the wing was annoyingly ostentatious or boy tunerish. Constant criticism of the Nismo harsh ride. Nissan actually took AWAY performance to get more in line with the majority opinion and away from hardcore loyalist desires. Reviewers/owners/prospective buyers began to lament the decrease in "bang for buck" value the Z had been known for and the public opinion spoke with its wallets by not buying the Z to a point that Nissan lowered the price...

Like a said, Nissan might ignore a bit but some it wont and changes will come. Unfortunately the largest voice they seem to hear is the "car costs more than what it's worth" so I think instead of increasing all around performance and stats, they might change their target demo next time around and therefore possibly the nature of the car as we presently know it in an attempt to increase sales for the model.

vtec to vvel · 06-20-2015, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyZ4U2C

Love my Z! I cant wait to see it / drive it everytime I approach her...I was always facinated with the look of Porsche as a kid growing up, and the Z fits that look i love! its my poor mans Porsche!

nah man, porsche is the rich man's nissan

Quote:

Originally Posted by firulice

Love mine.

Love that it's rare and there aren't too many like the mustang or camero

If the next Z is sub par I don't care I still have this one

If I get to where I need more power, FI will be getting another customer.

Did I mention I love mine? Drive on

i can vouch for your car and yes, your car is awesome! i just wish the sales dude budged to 24k OTD when i was looking at it

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunkist350z

I love my 2012 Z my 3rd Z had an 05 350z aniversary edition and an HR 07 solar orange color which is the only thing I miss.

i had an 07 HR as well but black and my neighbor had a solar orange. that color sticks out like a MOFO and sometimes i felt like i needed sunglasses to even look at it lol.

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Originally Posted by kuruzero

Obviously profit is the priority but if you dont think public opinion/perception can directly affect profit and therefore Nissan's decision making I think you're kidding yourself. Look a the low sales numbers. The 370z isnt a car that Nissan can just throw out at the public and ignore all feedback because it'll get sold regardless. Public opinion definitely matters when it comes to a niche car like the 370z. Even more so BECAUSE the target demo isnt very large. Its already been shown that public gripes and perceptions have led to changes. Ill just name a few. You think Nissan added an oil cooler out of the kindness of their heart or because it was an absolute necessity? You think 15+ Nismos took away the wing and made the ride a little softer just because? How about the price decrease? Because Nissan wanted to help us out? Auto option for 15+ Nismos?

These changes came about due to public opinion, owner's continued gripes, and/or major publication auto reviews that shaped perception and therefore possibly future sales. These changes cost money and wouldnt likely happen unless Nissan felt it'd lead to more prospective buyers and sales. Continued oil temp gripes from owners and reviewers. Constant rear visibility and public opinion(not necessarily core demo opinion) that the wing was annoyingly ostentatious or boy tunerish. Constant criticism of the Nismo harsh ride. Nissan actually took AWAY performance to get more in line with the majority opinion and away from hardcore loyalist desires. Reviewers/owners/prospective buyers began to lament the decrease in "bang for buck" value the Z had been known for and the public opinion spoke with its wallets by not buying the Z to a point that Nissan lowered the price...

Like a said, Nissan might ignore a bit but some it wont and changes will come. Unfortunately the largest voice they seem to hear is the "car costs more than what it's worth" so I think instead of increasing all around performance and stats, they might change their target demo next time around and therefore possibly the nature of the car as we presently know it in an attempt to increase sales for the model.

damn dude, write novels much?

public opinion doesn't matter to companies. look at ford and their sh*t quality cars - they're still selling. honda and the notorious 3rd gear grind have been around for how many years? guess what? still grinding and still selling.

the low sale numbers you speak of, well, considering the 370Z debuted in 2008 and it's still the same, minus a few cosmetic changes, it's no wonder that 370Z sales are declining, not because nissan is/isn't paying attention to public opinion.

the examples you speak of are valid, however, keep in mind, nissan only did that to either save themselves from a potential lawsuit or if they can make a bit more money off of you. believe you me, they, and most major companies, don't give a sh*t about you. if you knew how a publicly-traded business operated, you would know that they put profits before people, bc they have shareholders to keep happy, not you. and btw, regarding the price decrease, fyi, the base doesn't even come with LED sidemarkers and the base auto doesn't even come with paddle shifters. so if price goes down, it's not nissan losing anything, but YOU.

okay, i stopped reading about a quarter way through. bottom line, if you think nissan or any other company is on your side or is looking out for your best interest, then YOU are kidding YOURSELF and mistaken.

90 ST · 06-20-2015, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuruzero

Obviously profit is the priority but if you dont think public opinion/perception can directly affect profit and therefore Nissan's decision making I think you're kidding yourself. Look a the low sales numbers. The 370z isnt a car that Nissan can just throw out at the public and ignore all feedback because it'll get sold regardless. Public opinion definitely matters when it comes to a niche car like the 370z. Even more so BECAUSE the target demo isnt very large. Its already been shown that public gripes and perceptions have led to changes. Ill just name a few. You think Nissan added an oil cooler out of the kindness of their heart or because it was an absolute necessity? You think 15+ Nismos took away the wing and made the ride a little softer just because? How about the price decrease? Because Nissan wanted to help us out? Auto option for 15+ Nismos?

These changes came about due to public opinion, owner's continued gripes, and/or major publication auto reviews that shaped perception and therefore possibly future sales. These changes cost money and wouldnt likely happen unless Nissan felt it'd lead to more prospective buyers and sales. Continued oil temp gripes from owners and reviewers. Constant rear visibility and public opinion(not necessarily core demo opinion) that the wing was annoyingly ostentatious or boy tunerish. Constant criticism of the Nismo harsh ride. Nissan actually took AWAY performance to get more in line with the majority opinion and away from hardcore loyalist desires. Reviewers/owners/prospective buyers began to lament the decrease in "bang for buck" value the Z had been known for and the public opinion spoke with its wallets by not buying the Z to a point that Nissan lowered the price...

Like a said, Nissan might ignore a bit but some it wont and changes will come. Unfortunately the largest voice they seem to hear is the "car costs more than what it's worth" so I think instead of increasing all around performance and stats, they might change their target demo next time around and therefore possibly the nature of the car as we presently know it in an attempt to increase sales for the model.

While some of what you said makes sense, some does not, if they listened, the CSC would have been fixed with the 350, however they did do a recall on the SL...

AntiVenom · 06-22-2015, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST

While some of what you said makes sense, some does not, if they listened, the CSC would have been fixed with the 350, however they did do a recall on the SL...

the Z car represents a small slice of the nissan's profit. moreover, we as a group enthusiasts, who know about the CSC "weakness" are an even smaller portion of that pie. (i.e. I don't think the problem is effecting nissan's sales).

as a percent of cars sold (350z & 370z). how many have had CSC failures? in manufacturing you will always tolerate a certain defect rate. i would assume the CSC failure didn't surpass their threshold. nissan is a company interested in making money. if 98% of the time the CSC doesn't fail under warranty, why would would they care?

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overall i feel fortunate that nissan has even bothered to continue with the Z all these years, while other japanese brands dropped their sports cars or made sad attempts/compromises to make sporty cars. our cup is more than half full as Z enthusiasts.

don't like the sound? change the exhaust
not enough power? turbo/supercharge it
don't like the gauges? rip them out and throw something that works for you
your CSC busted? get your *** under there and change it out for something stronger or throw a Z1 elimination kit on there.
***built will always be better than bought.***

what sports car under $100K has everything you want from factory? go to any car forum and you will find guys complaining about something that the factory didn't get right. hell, i'd argue that there are things i'd want to change about ANY car, regardless of price. then again, i am just that type of guy.

MyZ4U2C · 06-19-2015, 09:40 PM

Love my Z! I cant wait to see it / drive it everytime I approach her...I was always facinated with the look of Porsche as a kid growing up, and the Z fits that look i love! its my poor mans Porsche!

firulice · 06-19-2015, 09:47 PM

Love mine.

Love that it's rare and there aren't too many like the mustang or camero

If the next Z is sub par I don't care I still have this one

If I get to where I need more power, FI will be getting another customer.

Did I mention I love mine? Drive on

Zipper 104 · 06-19-2015, 10:58 PM

I've owned mine 10 months now.
Yeah, I wish the exhaust note was a bit louder but I won't buy an AF exhaust.
My biggest gripe is still the left side rearview mirror blocking left turns, but
that' s about all I can come up with.
Yeah, the gas mileage could be better but if it was it would be a slug. Half of what makes me love it is the power on tap.
I love that you never see any of them around. either.
Simply put, I love it more now than I ever have. At one point I even gave thought to putting it up for sale for the h*** of it, but I don't think that's going to happen now. I love it more every day.

104

sunkist350z · 06-19-2015, 10:08 PM

I love my 2012 Z my 3rd Z had an 05 350z aniversary edition and an HR 07 solar orange color which is the only thing I miss.

stu2003 · 06-19-2015, 10:51 PM

i am a brand new member and I love my Z. i had 2010 Camaro SS before my Z. i loved that car too. More hp and torque than the Z but Z hangs with it and handles way better. For me Z is way more fun to drive. I want more hp/tq but I wanted more hp/tq for my Camaro and my Mustang and for my Celica etc... if i had 750hp I would probably want more.

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cooltoy Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Calgary Posts: 14,006 Drives: 14 PW 370Z S/T MT Rep Power: 243724	I only wish the stereo controls were on the right side of the steering wheel. Is there a DIY for that? Merv likes this. __________________ Member of kenchan's "photoshopped mods" and "proper offsets" gang.

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GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	Poeple bitch allot, its an amazing sports car... But the gripe that does hold water is it needs more power to keep being competitive. The gen maro is kill the bang for crown off the 5.0... These were thr Z's direct compitition... Its just fallen behind on power. But i realized the grass isnt greener on thr other side. This is thr car for me __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

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MyZ4U2C Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 448 Drives: 40th Z #51, 15 FozXT Rep Power: 555	Love my Z! I cant wait to see it / drive it everytime I approach her...I was always facinated with the look of Porsche as a kid growing up, and the Z fits that look i love! its my poor mans Porsche! UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ 40th Anniversary Fairlady Z - Tommy Kaira - FI CF CBE - Stillen Gen 3

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firulice Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: utah Posts: 277 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 1106	Love mine. Love that it's rare and there aren't too many like the mustang or camero If the next Z is sub par I don't care I still have this one If I get to where I need more power, FI will be getting another customer. Did I mention I love mine? Drive on MyZ4U2C likes this. __________________ 40th-40th edition. HFC, Nismo exhaust, Stillen intakes, GTR start, UpRev

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Zipper 104 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Canada's Wet Coast Posts: 480 Drives: '13 PW/Frost/Spt/AT Rep Power: 12	Z I've owned mine 10 months now. Yeah, I wish the exhaust note was a bit louder but I won't buy an AF exhaust. My biggest gripe is still the left side rearview mirror blocking left turns, but that' s about all I can come up with. Yeah, the gas mileage could be better but if it was it would be a slug. Half of what makes me love it is the power on tap. I love that you never see any of them around. either. Simply put, I love it more now than I ever have. At one point I even gave thought to putting it up for sale for the h*** of it, but I don't think that's going to happen now. I love it more every day. 104

06-19-2015, 07:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
RomerZ Base Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Clarksville, TN Posts: 20 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370Z PW Rep Power: 11	I love my Z and will probably get a second 370Z in the near future just because I love it so much. 2016 Subaru BRZ STi is pretty nice but nothing compares to a Z to me.

06-19-2015, 08:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
kuruzero Base Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Here and There Posts: 30 Drives: 14 370z Nismo Rep Power: 11	I love my Z too but honestly if there's anywhere I'd expect heavy praise and heavy criticisms it'd be a car forum dedicated to the platform... Considering the cost of these cars, imo most of the complaints on this forum are constructive criticism for Nissan as more threads are of the extremely valid than petty whining complaints. There's minor issues like the one OP mentioned but theres also several long lasting issues that Nissan just seems to refuse to fix. Not liking aspects of your car doesnt mean you dislike it as a whole. I also disagree that the public's opinions dont matter. Especially for the Z which isnt selling remotely as well as Nissan wanted it to. If fixing a major public gripe will lead to more sales and better consumer reviews, it's more likely to get fixed. Nissan isnt going to go out of their way to spend more money and quickly fix issues unless theres a segment of owners holding their feet to the fire via press and public perception. Will they ignore alot of it? Sure. But some of it will also cause positive changes for future models.

06-19-2015, 10:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
sunkist350z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Z-land Posts: 1,009 Drives: 2012 370z sport 6-sp Rep Power: 55342	I love my 2012 Z my 3rd Z had an 05 350z aniversary edition and an HR 07 solar orange color which is the only thing I miss.

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stu2003 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: St. Louis Posts: 3 Drives: 2013 370z MT Rep Power: 11	i am a brand new member and I love my Z. i had 2010 Camaro SS before my Z. i loved that car too. More hp and torque than the Z but Z hangs with it and handles way better. For me Z is way more fun to drive. I want more hp/tq but I wanted more hp/tq for my Camaro and my Mustang and for my Celica etc... if i had 750hp I would probably want more. UNKNOWN_370, BC416 and Array like this.

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