shifting from 2nd in stand still - bad idea?

ajm216 · 05-05-2015, 10:06 AM

Smooth shifting in the Z requires getting used to the car.

How you shift from 1st to 2nd varies depending on your rate of acceleration & RPMs , once you get used to it you'll see the difference.

When I first got my Z it was driving me crazy, had me thinking about clutch mods. It was me that needed the mod LOL.

JARblue · 05-05-2015, 10:12 AM

I've only ever started the Z in 2nd gear on a downhill slope. Otherwise, you're just putting extra stress on the crappy, prone-to-failure OEM CSC

carlitos_370z · 05-05-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I've only ever started the Z in 2nd gear on a downhill slope. Otherwise, you're just putting extra stress on the crappy, prone-to-failure OEM CSC

mishuko · 05-05-2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

the peaky latent throttle response dont help newbs either.

i drive my Z then drive my G, wow so butterly smooth

(one of the key reasons why i still have my G35C... beautiful and smooth).
i drive my Z then my fit, wow where the f- is 6th gear?!

if that was me i'd probably end up shifting it into R and dumping the tranny...

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Originally Posted by darkphantom

Oh, I engaged smoothly but I felt like I was "granny shifting" is all

that's the trick. shift how you rev. rev 4.5+ you can release the clutch quicker and it won't be as bad.

shift at under 3 go slow and steady!

I pulled a noob move and tried to launch from 3rd the other day... let's just say the popo behind me was laughing and thinking 'AMATEUR HOUR!!!'

JARblue · 05-05-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

I pulled a noob move and tried to launch from 3rd the other day...

Are you trying to break your CSC?

mishuko · 05-05-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Are you trying to break your CSC?

for some reason i thought i was moving enough but came to a standstill and well....

jpkirk · 05-05-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

bad idea. this will put unnecessary load/strain on the engine.

and the Z has one of the more smoother 1st to 2nd gear changes....perhaps you're letting off the clutch to early?

Nick M · 05-05-2015, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

Or unless you have a hard clutch. Push up to a stage 3, 4 or 5 clutch and you wont be able to do anything but start in first gear and you will have to learn how to be super sensitive about the so called "sweet spot" of the clutch. That's to where you can shift without any jerkiness like how this thread started. Just gotta find the sweet spot on the clutch although harder to locate when you go up in stages.
I went from a stock ford ranger clutch in my truck to a SPEC stage 3 clutch in my z and was a completely different ball game. It would be like going from peewee sports to Division 1 college sports .

Although once you have a durable clutch and know how to shift entirely, then you can learn to power shift, although that would go the complete opposite direction on jerkiness than this thread started originally.

You have to be careful with aggressive, high friction clutches. You can do a number on the syncros in the Z's transmission with unnecessarily rough engaging high pressure clutches. Its entirely unnecessary in a Z that sees daily use around town, unless it sees regular track use with high heat (HPDE, etc).

From your mod list, you dont have anything that requires such a clutch w 20% plus additional torque capacity. No supercharger, no turbo etc. A stage 1, or an OEM clutch would have been fine.

I used to bracket drag race hondas, and did NASA HPDE track events with first a WRX and then a prepped Civic hatchback, and never had an instructor go over "power shifting". The last mention I heard of power shifting was in Fast and Furious 1.

I think modifications are supposed to be a package deal, and in synergy. For example I wouldnt upgrade my clutch, without first upgrading my clutch pedal to the RJM unit, and getting the Z1 transmission mount.

The RJM clutch pedal actually elimates all of the touchy-ness of the OEM Z/G clutch and makes it feel much more smooth with effortless engagement. Like most high-end manual transmissions are.

kenchan · 05-05-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jpkirk

i think he drove a bus or something before?

kenchan · 05-05-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I've only ever started the Z in 2nd gear on a downhill slope. Otherwise, you're just putting extra stress on the crappy, prone-to-failure OEM CSC

yah, i do this ..let the car roll a few feet while clutch-in and gently engage 2nd.

jpkirk · 05-05-2015, 12:03 PM

ShutokuZ · 05-05-2015, 01:31 PM

I think the 1-2 shift is pretty easy and smooth for me, but I am coming from an Evo IX which has one of the most notchy stock clutches out there.

Like others have said, just take it nice and easy between the 1-2 and you will be fine. Once you learn the feel and engagement points, it tends to smooth out more.

onzedge · 05-05-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

bad idea. just rev your engine to 2000rpm and engage 1st while you count to 3.

basically catch a glimpse of your tach when the needle is horizontal, then engage 1st while you count ichi ni san

hope u get the lame joke at end

darkphantom · 05-05-2015, 04:19 PM

Since we're on the topic, what about skipping gears?

When I drove the C7 stingray, I would often see a sign that said 1st to 4th gear recommended. Any qualms about doing 1->3 or something similar? Only on days when I want to be fuel efficient :P 1->3->6

kenchan · 05-05-2015, 04:20 PM

u can skip gears if u want. i dont want to wear out the syncro's prematurely so i go through gears sequentially, or if doing a skipped gear downshift, i would double-clutch it.

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ShutokuZ Track Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 512 Drives: 2013 PW 6MT Sport Rep Power: 14	I think the 1-2 shift is pretty easy and smooth for me, but I am coming from an Evo IX which has one of the most notchy stock clutches out there. Like others have said, just take it nice and easy between the 1-2 and you will be fine. Once you learn the feel and engagement points, it tends to smooth out more. carlitos_370z likes this.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	u can skip gears if u want. i dont want to wear out the syncro's prematurely so i go through gears sequentially, or if doing a skipped gear downshift, i would double-clutch it. Merv likes this.

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darkphantom Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 425 Drives: 13 Z34 PW M6 Rep Power: 244	Since we're on the topic, what about skipping gears? When I drove the C7 stingray, I would often see a sign that said 1st to 4th gear recommended. Any qualms about doing 1->3 or something similar? Only on days when I want to be fuel efficient :P 1->3->6

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