Resale problems with Manual

Jordo! · 02-20-2015, 04:58 PM

Really, considering how much wiggle room there is in re-sale value, its more a matter of how popular the car is on its own, regardless of various options.

It's always going to be easier to re-sell a Camry than a Z.

JDubya · 02-20-2015, 05:05 PM

I'll agree with the last few posts. When I was visiting my local dealer for some minor warranty work a while back, this topic came up when I was speaking with a salesman. He mentioned they have an easier time moving a Z with the 6 speed as opposed to the auto. While this is an extremely high volume dealer, its still just one dealer, so take it for what it is.

When you introduce a pure sports car like the Z, which already has a small market (its sales numbers prove that), those looking for a car like this typically gravitate toward the manual transmission.

With that said, I don't think the transmission type in your Z is going to be what causes you to have issues (if you have issues), selling the car when the time comes. I'd guess the manual would sell easier, but it won't have some overwhelming advantage over the auto.

Jordo's post nailed it, in my opinion.

Spooler · 02-20-2015, 06:05 PM

Drive the crap out of it and let some other smo deal with what is left over when you are done. Stop worrying.

zguynate · 02-20-2015, 08:36 PM

I disagree with most of you. The manual transmission will soon fade away. I highly doubt there will be manual transmissions by the year 2030 aside from MAYBE 18 wheelers. Take a look at whats going on. First you have manufacturers like Porsche, known for being a true sports car, phasing out their manual transmissions. I don't remember the year, but I read that they were planning on it. Maybe 2017 or something like that.

Next, you have the sports cars that never had an option for an auto, suddenly having that option. Z06 Vette, Mitsubishi Evo (even thought its dead), the Nismo Z. Im sure there are others that I don't know about. All of these auto makers are pushing the automatic transmission. Its obvious, and ill tell you why. R&D costs. With the sales in manual transmissions falling due to no one knowing how to drive one, soon it won't be profitable to do R&D on the manual transmission. That R&D is going to go into DCT's. Because "its the same thing". You can switch to "manual mode" and the car will shift faster than a normal manual could ever change.

Lastly, and everyone should see this coming as obvious, Im willing to bet it will be mandated by the US Gov that all new vehicles be sold with an "automated transmission" at a certain year for safety reasons. If the driver is too busy directing their attention to changing gears, how can they pay attention to the road? Therefore to inexperienced drivers, that places other drivers at risk. That is the craziest out of all of them, but I gauran-damn-tee you that one of these crack pot senators or representatives will push for that. Just like that moron Feinstein and her complete ignorance to firearms. The gov has already mandated other features for "safety", that one won't be much of a push due to declining sales of the manual transmission and the fact that the skill is also declining anyway. Watch and see gentlemen.

FL 4Motion · 02-20-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I disagree with most of you. The manual transmission will soon fade away. I highly doubt there will be manual transmissions by the year 2030 aside from MAYBE 18 wheelers. Take a look at whats going on. First you have manufacturers like Porsche, known for being a true sports car, phasing out their manual transmissions. I don't remember the year, but I read that they were planning on it. Maybe 2017 or something like that.

Next, you have the sports cars that never had an option for an auto, suddenly having that option. Z06 Vette, Mitsubishi Evo (even thought its dead), the Nismo Z. Im sure there are others that I don't know about. All of these auto makers are pushing the automatic transmission. Its obvious, and ill tell you why. R&D costs. With the sales in manual transmissions falling due to no one knowing how to drive one, soon it won't be profitable to do R&D on the manual transmission. That R&D is going to go into DCT's. Because "its the same thing". You can switch to "manual mode" and the car will shift faster than a normal manual could ever change.

Lastly, and everyone should see this coming as obvious, Im willing to bet it will be mandated by the US Gov that all new vehicles be sold with an "automated transmission" at a certain year for safety reasons. If the driver is too busy directing their attention to changing gears, how can they pay attention to the road? Therefore to inexperienced drivers, that places other drivers at risk. That is the craziest out of all of them, but I gauran-damn-tee you that one of these crack pot senators or representatives will push for that. Just like that moron Feinstein and her complete ignorance to firearms. The gov has already mandated other features for "safety", that one won't be much of a push due to declining sales of the manual transmission and the fact that the skill is also declining anyway. Watch and see gentlemen.

I agree, not sure about that last part but who knows, just watched a motorweek ep recently and one of the ways they are trying to improve big rig mpg is with dual clutch tech in 18 wheelers. Even manual long haul trucks will go auto within the next 5-10 years.

I bet there will still be a couple of niche "throwback" manual option cars at least for the next decade or so like the miata, stang, Z etc.

zguynate · 02-20-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I agree, not sure about that last part but who knows

I know lol, it sounds retarded, but I seriously wouldn't put it past them. Thats why I said willing to bet lol.

Duc_Z09 · 02-20-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

If the driver is too busy directing their attention to changing gears, how can they pay attention to the road? Therefore to inexperienced drivers, that places other drivers at risk. That is the craziest out of all of them, but I gauran-damn-tee you that one of these crack pot senators or representatives will push for that.

That's so ridiculous that I actually wouldn't put it past our government to claim that. From my experience it's the people driving manual who are more engaged in driving (partly because they enjoy it, partly because MT forces you to pay attention) and are way less likely to be applying makeup while texting their babysitter and simultaneously eating a hamburger while yelling at the kids in the back seat.

Of the worst driver's I've personally met, not a single one knew how to drive a clutch.

Kaldaien · 02-20-2015, 08:56 PM

To be honest, I think you'd have a harder time reselling an automatic 370z. There is a stigma associated with AT that is very hard to shake. You see it all the time when people claim "I will never buy a GT-R because it is automatic," really the reason they will never buy one is because they cannot afford one, but let's humor those people for the purpose of our discussion.

The 370z's automatic transmission has paddle shifters and that is perhaps its only saving grace, but it's still a slow torque converter rather than an exotic double clutch. They will appeal to some people (myself included), but are no longer synonymous with a high performance DCT (the new Altima even has them on its silly CVT).

brancky3 · 02-20-2015, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaldaien

The 370z's automatic transmission has paddle shifters and that is perhaps its only saving grace, but it's still a slow torque converter rather than an exotic double clutch. They will appeal to some people (myself included), but are no longer synonymous with a high performance DCT (the new Altima even has them on its silly CVT).

And sadly that slow torque converter is still faster than a manual

Kaldaien · 02-24-2015, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brancky3

And sadly that slow torque converter is still faster than a manual

You are mistaken, the torque converter sucks HP that a clutch doesn't. It's even more drivetrain loss on the 7AT configuration.

Tadpole · 02-21-2015, 07:35 AM

None of my kids or my wife can drive a manual. Six to one ratio in my household and this should tell you something.
Sports cars will be the only ones with a manual or possibly come to a special order for them. I'm not hating on the manuals at all but I do see the light on where we are going on transmissions.
Enjoy them while you can.

brancky3 · 02-21-2015, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tadpole

None of my kids or my wife can drive a manual. Six to one ratio in my household and this should tell you something.
Sports cars will be the only ones with a manual or possibly come to a special order for them. I'm not hating on the manuals at all but I do see the light on where we are going on transmissions.
Enjoy them while you can.

Maybe in the future aftermarket companies will specialize in retrofitting manual transmission into automatic cars.

zguynate · 02-21-2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by brancky3

Maybe in the future aftermarket companies will specialize in retrofitting manual transmission into automatic cars.

This is unlikely only because of the electronics involved with today's cars. It's not quite as easy on the Z, as it was on the 240sx's and 300zx's.

KittenMittens · 02-21-2015, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

That's so ridiculous that I actually wouldn't put it past our government to claim that. From my experience it's the people driving manual who are more engaged in driving (partly because they enjoy it, partly because MT forces you to pay attention) and are way less likely to be applying makeup while texting their babysitter and simultaneously eating a hamburger while yelling at the kids in the back seat.

Of the worst driver's I've personally met, not a single one knew how to drive a clutch.

I personally am way to scared to fiddle with anything while driving, However i have successfully managed to drive and take swigs of coffee/tea in between shifts

But there is no way you will ever see me even glance at my phone. I pull over if its that important...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tadpole

None of my kids or my wife can drive a manual. Six to one ratio in my household and this should tell you something.
Sports cars will be the only ones with a manual or possibly come to a special order for them. I'm not hating on the manuals at all but I do see the light on where we are going on transmissions.
Enjoy them while you can.

Ratio in my house is 4 out of 4 all currently drive MT. Houses vary i guess.

All in all everyone's becoming lazier and fatter, It's just one less thing people want to do. I know a lot of people that just see MT as "stupid", they see it as old people trying to cling on to their past or people that think its all about "man status" and pointless. Just ask some of your AT guys here on the forum, they would all argue its faster than MT as a defense

. I honestly do not want MT to die, but i have a feeling it just might

MightyMouse13 · 02-21-2015, 12:14 PM

So you're telling me it's not all about "man status"?

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02-20-2015, 04:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 420	Really, considering how much wiggle room there is in re-sale value, its more a matter of how popular the car is on its own, regardless of various options. It's always going to be easier to re-sell a Camry than a Z. JDubya likes this. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

02-20-2015, 05:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
JDubya Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 94 Drives: '14 Mid. Blue 6MT Rep Power: 17	I'll agree with the last few posts. When I was visiting my local dealer for some minor warranty work a while back, this topic came up when I was speaking with a salesman. He mentioned they have an easier time moving a Z with the 6 speed as opposed to the auto. While this is an extremely high volume dealer, its still just one dealer, so take it for what it is. When you introduce a pure sports car like the Z, which already has a small market (its sales numbers prove that), those looking for a car like this typically gravitate toward the manual transmission. With that said, I don't think the transmission type in your Z is going to be what causes you to have issues (if you have issues), selling the car when the time comes. I'd guess the manual would sell easier, but it won't have some overwhelming advantage over the auto. Jordo's post nailed it, in my opinion. Jordo! likes this.

02-20-2015, 06:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,153 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684394	Drive the crap out of it and let some other smo deal with what is left over when you are done. Stop worrying. gbrettin likes this.

02-20-2015, 08:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 75	I disagree with most of you. The manual transmission will soon fade away. I highly doubt there will be manual transmissions by the year 2030 aside from MAYBE 18 wheelers. Take a look at whats going on. First you have manufacturers like Porsche, known for being a true sports car, phasing out their manual transmissions. I don't remember the year, but I read that they were planning on it. Maybe 2017 or something like that. Next, you have the sports cars that never had an option for an auto, suddenly having that option. Z06 Vette, Mitsubishi Evo (even thought its dead), the Nismo Z. Im sure there are others that I don't know about. All of these auto makers are pushing the automatic transmission. Its obvious, and ill tell you why. R&D costs. With the sales in manual transmissions falling due to no one knowing how to drive one, soon it won't be profitable to do R&D on the manual transmission. That R&D is going to go into DCT's. Because "its the same thing". You can switch to "manual mode" and the car will shift faster than a normal manual could ever change. Lastly, and everyone should see this coming as obvious, Im willing to bet it will be mandated by the US Gov that all new vehicles be sold with an "automated transmission" at a certain year for safety reasons. If the driver is too busy directing their attention to changing gears, how can they pay attention to the road? Therefore to inexperienced drivers, that places other drivers at risk. That is the craziest out of all of them, but I gauran-damn-tee you that one of these crack pot senators or representatives will push for that. Just like that moron Feinstein and her complete ignorance to firearms. The gov has already mandated other features for "safety", that one won't be much of a push due to declining sales of the manual transmission and the fact that the skill is also declining anyway. Watch and see gentlemen. FL 4Motion likes this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package

02-21-2015, 07:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tadpole A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lockhart, TX Posts: 1,082 Drives: 13 Nissan 370Z A7 Rep Power: 19	None of my kids or my wife can drive a manual. Six to one ratio in my household and this should tell you something. Sports cars will be the only ones with a manual or possibly come to a special order for them. I'm not hating on the manuals at all but I do see the light on where we are going on transmissions. Enjoy them while you can. FLUJOKE likes this. __________________ Takeda TR3009P Short Ram Intakes, Custom Dual Exhaust, X-Piped with 18" Resonators & TopSpeed Axle Backs. EVO-R Led Third Foglight,

02-20-2015, 08:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kaldaien Base Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 167 Drives: 2015 370z Nismo Tech Rep Power: 13	To be honest, I think you'd have a harder time reselling an automatic 370z. There is a stigma associated with AT that is very hard to shake. You see it all the time when people claim "I will never buy a GT-R because it is automatic," really the reason they will never buy one is because they cannot afford one, but let's humor those people for the purpose of our discussion. The 370z's automatic transmission has paddle shifters and that is perhaps its only saving grace, but it's still a slow torque converter rather than an exotic double clutch. They will appeal to some people (myself included), but are no longer synonymous with a high performance DCT (the new Altima even has them on its silly CVT).

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MightyMouse13 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 77 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Mag B Rep Power: 12	So you're telling me it's not all about "man status"? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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