Walking Dead

SgtGoldy · 12-06-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Negan and Carl at the Savior's compound is pretty much, shot for shot, using the comic as a story board and the lines are almost verbatim.

Even the "My Only Sunshine" while Negan practices his swing is from the comic.

The only major difference is that Carl was all alone (not with Jesus) when he hopped in the back of the truck to get there and he was also (seemingly) much younger.

They also dialed down how he looked with the bandages of... he kind of looks like an apple with a bite out of it in the comic ...

The "my only sunshine" part was kinda sad. You can see the kid in him come out. Makes you remember he is just a kid.

And negan apologizing was weird. Like did he actually feel sympathy or is that just another one of his weird psycho head f**ks?

Jordo! · 12-06-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy

The "my only sunshine" part was kinda sad. You can see the kid in him come out. Makes you remember he is just a kid.

And negan apologizing was weird. Like did he actually feel sympathy or is that just another one of his weird psycho head f**ks?

It's hard to read Negan, and JD Morgan is conveying his nature accurately and very convincingly.

Negan is sort of dissociated from his emotions. He can show them, feel them (apparently), but then do something totally opposite of what you'd expect based on that emotion (this doesn't always work to his advantage... but it usually does).

Negan is probably best thought of as a psychopath. Manipulative, cunning, even charming, but a ruthless and sadistic killer at (his perceived) need with no apparent remorse, just resignation at worst.

He occasionally loses it and just freaks the hell out -- highly unstable when pushed too far, but usually he's in control of himself or can compose himself if need be. He's a complex character -- easily the most complex (and occasionally over-the-top) one in the series.

SgtGoldy · 12-06-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

It's hard to read Negan, and JD Morgan is conveying his nature accurately and very convincingly.

Negan is sort of dissociated from his emotions. He can show them, feel them (apparently), but then do something totally opposite of what you'd expect based on that emotion (this doesn't always work to his advantage... but it usually does).

Negan is probably best thought of as a psychopath. Manipulative, cunning, even charming, but a ruthless and sadistic killer at (his perceived) need with no apparent remorse, just resignation at worst.

He occasionally loses it and just freaks the hell out -- highly unstable when pushed too far, but usually he's in control of himself or can compose himself if need be. He's a complex character -- easily the most complex (and occasionally over-the-top) one in the series.

good. everyone's lack luster personalities is starting to wear thin. "oh I feel so bad" "oh we gotta get revenge" "oh Im a self loathing loser". Jesus enough.

Oh and btw... I feel bad for all the fat shaming on this show. Not a fat people sympathizer. But like... they legit say ****** up fat things to legit fat people lol. Like neagan being like "so youre telling me... youre starving... you...." and starts to chuckle. lol that poor actress man, thats gotta chip away at your self esteem even if its acting.

ChaseZ · 12-13-2016, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Negan is a genuinely scary dude. He can show emotion, but its usually hard to predict what he'll actually do... He can smile affably, walk right up to you, smiling, and gut you without blinking.

Sounds just like my ex wife

DCNISMO · 12-06-2016, 07:22 PM

The fat shaming was brutal cause she really is fat. After they say cut she is still fat

BlackZeda · 12-06-2016, 07:48 PM

Is it weird that I like Negan Jr. Carl about 100% more now.

ChaseZ · 12-06-2016, 07:52 PM

I was expecting the storyline after the premier to be much more linear towards all these different groups getting together to go after the saviours. Now it's to the point where I don't even think about that 7:00 time on Sunday when it comes on and just stream it to catch up whenever I get around to it. Haven't thought of it that way since season 3, which almost lost me. I'm sure it'll turn around at some point. Up there will be the whole midseason break and everything between before any of that satisfaction comes to fruition.

Jordo! · 12-07-2016, 10:25 PM

Yeah... Negan is written to be somewhat concerned with appearing/behaving in a bigoted manner in regard to race/POC and is generally anti-misogynistic (compare and contrast with the comic version of the Governor who

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, but he also seems to be the "No Fat Chicks" t-shirt wearer in the zombie apocalypse...

It's not really consistent with the character, but Kirkman is clearly trying to balance plausibility in his characters (AMC tends to fail at this...), while also recognizing that being grossly offensive to his readers would cause more harm than good... it works well enough with Negan given his idiosyncratic nature, but yeah, he can be a real jerk-off.

Google "Here's Negan" if you want to read some of his back story. It's an ongoing mini-series (up to part 8, I think).

It gives a little insight into his nature, might reveal something about his openness to people on the one hand while being a sadistic nut on the other... it will also give some background on why his bat is named Lucile and why he "treats her like a lady", or whatever.

And, for whatever its worth, its all cannon -- written by Kirkman as offical back story.

Jordo! · 12-12-2016, 05:19 AM

Notwithstanding an insulin-secretion inducing ending (Darryl? Home for X-mas?! And he brought a big ass gun! Well, hot damn! Merry and happy!) that AMC insisted on (see further, my griping a few posts up...), this was a pretty good episode.

The water zombies and trip to the boat was not in the comic (but might have been a wink-nod to the Michonne Telltale Games story), although I really liked it! Most of the rest was also pretty good, and/or cannon (again, FWIW... just because Kirkman wrote it, that doesn't automatically make it any good, I just want to see either same or better -- but not worse!)

Compare and contrast!

Spencer got

Negan is a post-zombie apocalypse douche-bag eliminator -- bring him a human douche, and he will gut it

Oh. It seems fans complained about Negan's beard, so, it's been shaved off. Also, Rosita's scar is actually one worn by Andrea (on the other cheek) in the comic, but whatever, I guess... bring on February and All Out War!

SgtGoldy · 12-12-2016, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Notwithstanding an insulin-secretion inducing ending (Darryl? Home for X-mas?! And he brought a big ass gun! Well, hot damn! Merry and happy!) that AMC insisted on (see further, my griping a few posts up...), this was a pretty good episode.

The water zombies and trip to the boat was not in the comic (but might have been a wink-nod to the Michonne Telltale Games story), although I really liked it! Most of the rest was also pretty good, and/or cannon (again, FWIW... just because Kirkman wrote it, that doesn't automatically make it any good, I just want to see either same or better -- but not worse!)

Compare and contrast!

Spencer got

Negan is a post-zombie apocalypse douche-bag eliminator -- bring him a human douche, and he will gut it

Oh. It seems fans complained about Negan's beard, so, it's been shaved off. Also, Rosita's scar is actually one worn by Andrea (on the other cheek) in the comic, but whatever, I guess... bring on February and All Out War!

I think Negan looks dumb without his beard. Honestly I thought the episode was... good. But not mid season finale good. Maybe I just have kept too high of expectations. But I blame the first episode of this season for that. I feel they should've kept the "OMG, I cant watch this..." as I cover my eyes with my hands and part my fingers just enough to see.

Good gut-gore part though. Saw it coming a million miles away, but nonetheless satisfied with the result. F**k that guy.

DCNISMO · 12-12-2016, 10:17 AM

ok, I have to ask...in the comic what happens to Eugene? Is he already dead? I thought Negan would kiil him, but I guess now that he can make bullets...no?

SgtGoldy · 12-12-2016, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

ok, I have to ask...in the comic what happens to Eugene? Is he already dead? I thought Negan would kiil him, but I guess now that he can make bullets...no?

Yea never thought he would kill Eugene. Why kill him when you now have a way to reuse all those empty casings? I mean, they should've ran outta ammo fu**ing years ago.

DCNISMO · 12-12-2016, 11:41 AM

They can find lead to make bullets, but where is the magic cache of firing pins? If anything they should have regressed to making black powder. Finding shell grade powder and firing pins....no to believable.

SgtGoldy · 12-12-2016, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

They can find lead to make bullets, but where is the magic cache of firing pins? If anything they should have regressed to making black powder. Finding shell grade powder and firing pins....no to believable.

SHHHHHHHHH........ if were gonna start nitpicking then what about the gas, working cars, batteries, electricity, oil, how the ******* grass never grows over everything, the constant can food supply, the guns that never jam yet have been sitting in a grassfield for the past 10years, on and on and on and on and on and on and on we go. Where the absurdity ends? Nobody knows.

DCNISMO · 12-12-2016, 02:58 PM

Plus Carl has grown three feet or so........

12-07-2016, 10:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	Yeah... Negan is written to be somewhat concerned with appearing/behaving in a bigoted manner in regard to race/POC and is generally anti-misogynistic (compare and contrast with the comic version of the Governor who ( Click to show/hide ) brutally rapes Michonne... she tortures and mutilates him in revenge -- that didn't make it to AMC, obviously... , but he also seems to be the "No Fat Chicks" t-shirt wearer in the zombie apocalypse... It's not really consistent with the character, but Kirkman is clearly trying to balance plausibility in his characters (AMC tends to fail at this...), while also recognizing that being grossly offensive to his readers would cause more harm than good... it works well enough with Negan given his idiosyncratic nature, but yeah, he can be a real jerk-off. Google "Here's Negan" if you want to read some of his back story. It's an ongoing mini-series (up to part 8, I think). It gives a little insight into his nature, might reveal something about his openness to people on the one hand while being a sadistic nut on the other... it will also give some background on why his bat is named Lucile and why he "treats her like a lady", or whatever. And, for whatever its worth, its all cannon -- written by Kirkman as offical back story. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 12-07-2016 at 10:27 PM.

12-12-2016, 05:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	Notwithstanding an insulin-secretion inducing ending (Darryl? Home for X-mas?! And he brought a big ass gun! Well, hot damn! Merry and happy!) that AMC insisted on (see further, my griping a few posts up...), this was a pretty good episode. The water zombies and trip to the boat was not in the comic (but might have been a wink-nod to the Michonne Telltale Games story), although I really liked it! Most of the rest was also pretty good, and/or cannon (again, FWIW... just because Kirkman wrote it, that doesn't automatically make it any good, I just want to see either same or better -- but not worse!) Compare and contrast! Spencer got Negan is a post-zombie apocalypse douche-bag eliminator -- bring him a human douche, and he will gut it Oh. It seems fans complained about Negan's beard, so, it's been shaved off. Also, Rosita's scar is actually one worn by Andrea (on the other cheek) in the comic, but whatever, I guess... bring on February and All Out War! __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 12-12-2016 at 05:41 AM.

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DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	The fat shaming was brutal cause she really is fat. After they say cut she is still fat

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BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 23	Is it weird that I like Negan Jr. Carl about 100% more now.

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ChaseZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2016 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,799 Drives: 16 370z Rep Power: 94684	I was expecting the storyline after the premier to be much more linear towards all these different groups getting together to go after the saviours. Now it's to the point where I don't even think about that 7:00 time on Sunday when it comes on and just stream it to catch up whenever I get around to it. Haven't thought of it that way since season 3, which almost lost me. I'm sure it'll turn around at some point. Up there will be the whole midseason break and everything between before any of that satisfaction comes to fruition.

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DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	ok, I have to ask...in the comic what happens to Eugene? Is he already dead? I thought Negan would kiil him, but I guess now that he can make bullets...no?

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DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	They can find lead to make bullets, but where is the magic cache of firing pins? If anything they should have regressed to making black powder. Finding shell grade powder and firing pins....no to believable.

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DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	Plus Carl has grown three feet or so........