No offense intended but are you from North Jersey by any chance? There's a huge pirelli following up there (Lived in Wayne/Oak Ridge for a while).

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J/K I never used that before. Seemed like a good time.

Jon you missed out on a huge meet up this past weekend in Columbia.

that is your personal preference.. but saying that they are far better than anything pirelli has to offer is a far stretch.. the is a reason why the top supercars made run pirelli. im not some tires guru so i cant get into a pissing match with you about compounds tire wear etc... i gave a opnion based off of personal experiance i have always had great luck with pirelli. every tire company makes a entry level tire and im guessing that mabe some people on here got some basic pirellis or something and werent happy with them.. and that is fine.. i wasnt waving a pirelli flag or saying that everyone needs to run them. i just gave a opnion different than everyone else..

no im not from jersey.. i was born n raised in ny. mount vernon, yonkers,bronx..

Most of the guys who have mid-high range sportscars up there run Pirellis. Only reason I was asking.

The only comparable tire Pirelli makes is the PZero (which I have run) and the Super Sport out performs it in every category. Dry grip, wet grip, road noise longevity, feedback, etc. That's why I said what I said...

Tire Rack reviews seem to agree with this statement. Probably should add that Pirelli makes _the best_ F1 tire out there and most of those cars do run pirelli but that's a whole different animal.

again im not trying to argue with you, i dont have vast tire knowlege. i just offered a different opnion.. with a quick google search i pulled up a comparison, and from what i saw on the graphs the tires were very close so close that on our cars and what we use them for you would never be able to tell the difference.. now maybe if u r useing them on track all day every day and looking for every bit of performance u can get.. then maybe you could tell the difference.. but saying that they are vastly better, and pirelli is not good is just a untrue statement..

forgive me for giving a difference in opnion, wouldnt want anyone on here to run something different than everyone else.. maybe im just different but i like to use what i like and not what people tell me i should use...

and again i didnt say pss were junk.. i said they r good, i just offered my opnion on a tire that i like and have great luck with.. i never said anythign bad about the pss.. and maybe in ur opnion pirelli is bad or not worth it.. and thats fine.. but that is your opnion.. i on the other hand love pirelli and whenever i need new tires that is the brand i go with..

exactly the make the best f1 tire.. the form of racing that all others are compaired to... if the can make a superior tire in that level of play saying that they r not worth it or something is vastly better is a unfair statement.. like i said i like the pss and they r good tires, and never said pirelli is vastly better.. just gave a different opnion from what everyone else runs.. when comparing top tires there is not one that is just better than all tires.. they are all very close in that catagory and it comes dow to PERSONAL PREFERENCE, and also what ur useing the tire for...

all good buddy.. im not one of those new yorkers that gets mad if u ask if im from jersey...lol..

What is going on here??? Less tire talk more ghey talk. STAY ON TOPIC GUYS GAYS!

I used to live in Queens before I moved to MD :tup:

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Pirelli makes the only F1 tire, not the best. They are the exclusive supplier, much like Goodyear is for NASCAR.

I never said they are not good. I said the Pilot Super Sport is vastly better than the PZero. Keep in mind the PSS is a brand new compound while the PZero is an aging tire that's soon to be replaced.

My experience (I have lots of experience) and available empirical data supports my claim that PSS > PZero. If anything because you can expect nearly double the longevity while maintaining better dry/wet performance.

Is Pirelli bad? Is the PZero bad? No. I never said that. I just said that they aren't the best (right now). The PZero was a great tire when I used it. It's just that the Super Sport is just that much better.

i agree with what you said.. especially that its a older tire.. and the reason for that is they didnt have a need to update it until now.. i dont agree with the vastly better.. the difference is marginal. and the average z driver would be hard pressed to tell the difference...

also i never said that the pirelli was better, i just said they are what i like and what i use on my car.. im on car #33 so i have tried and had experiance with many many different brands of tires.. i couldnt tell u the different compounds or the specific makeup of the tire. but i can tell you what ones handel well in the rain/snow/dry etc.. and what one wore fast..

tread wear is the worst part of a pirelli.. i have owned many sets of pzero, and they are expensive.. the main reason for their fast treadwear is the super sof make of the tire.. its a compromise with the makeup that they used in that tire.. they gave up tread life for grip/handeling..

you are mostly right.. they did use a different brand and then switched back to pirelli because the other brand did not have the traction needed. and they didnt hold up.. something about them falling apart.. not a 100% on the specifics i would have to search it..

edit:as for the comment not the best.. yes they are the best for f1 tires or else they would not be useing them..

look at you two arguing about rubber :shakes head:

my preferred brand is trojan :tup:

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I could have sworn Michelin made F1 tires as well but I guess I could be wrong.

here is a link to the tirerack comparison.. yes the pss rated higher, as did all others. but its not a vast difference.. they are all very close... and as stated the pzero is a aged tire the have been making it for a while.. as for the others are all new.. pirelli will make them better very soon... but not for anything.. a tire as old of a construction as it is, the performance that it give it hung right on top with them all...

from that i chart i dont see a vast difference.. i see a small difference that the average drive would not be able to tell the difference.. besides the tread wear i will be the first to admit pirelli wears fast..

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someone else did but they didnt hold up so they switched back to pirelli...

just go get the PSS's they are an amazing tire. i ran pzeros on a old car i had wasnt impressed.

Whenever my yokohamas are done that's probably what I'll go with.

I have Pzeros on my car, and can confirm they have far less grip than the PSS, whether on road or grass.

they also are not nearly as consistent at the traction limit as the PSS either.

I'll probably be jumping on the PSS bandwagon soon too.

I will be running pilot super sport







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i love mine. right after i put them on it was night and day compared to my stock bridgestones

ok this is getting out of hand.. I NEVER SAID PIRELLI WAS BETTER.. i gave a different opnion on a tire that i like... for me pirelli will always be the brand i buy... i also never said the pzero is better than pss.. i just offered a opnion.. they arer all good tires and buying any of them is a good choice... im sorry if some people had bad experiance with pirelli.. but im sorry you can say what you want there is not a VAST difference... even tire rack couldnt say there is a vast difference...

to be fair, the stock bridgestones are one of the worst summer tires you can find. They were terrible in 08, now they are terrible and out-dated

i agree i was happy once my rears were bald and it was time to get rid of them. fronts still had some life so i have em saved just in case i have a blowout and cant get a PSS replacement right away.

They used to.

I never said you said it was better, but you DID say I said Pirelli sucked. :p

well then i will correct myself.. you said they are vastly better.. which based on all the charts i have seen they are not.. they are a better tire(for now), but not vastly, only marginly...

F1 tire suppliers is all about who pays the most to be the official supplier. Not about performance.

Pirelli replaced Bridgestone at the start of the 2011 season.

Previously, Bridgestone was the exclusive supplier since 2007.

From 2001-2006 Michelin and Bridgestone were both competing suppliers. Ultimately Michelin pulled out (i.e. F1 decided 1 supplier was better and Bridgestone bid higher).

Bridgestone entered F1 in 1997 and was the exclusive supplier from 98-00.

The last time Pirelli was on a F1 car was 1991.

Drive them and you'll see that it's a vast difference. Like Red__Zed mentioned the breakaway characteristics at the limit are FAR better on the PSS than they are with the PZero. PZero might run a quick lap but it's not going to compete with PSS over multiple.

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Yes, I am a motorsport snob/freak.