here is the chart of all the tires used in f1.. for a while they used different brands then switched to just 1.

Formula One tyres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Excuse Steve, he's on his cycle. Come back in a week and he should be his usual charming self. ;)

well im not saying you are wrong.. but i do find it hard to believe that there is a vast difference.. when professional drivers tested the tires the comparison is close.. not that everyone doesnt value the opnions of all others on this site.. but if the pros say they are close then im gonna have to go with what they say...

again didnt say pirelli is better. i just offered what i like as a option.. but lesson learned i will just keep my opnions to myself....

No need to get all butt hurt everyone.

We all know its TOYO Proxes all day.

Don't keep your opinions to yourself. It would be boring if we agreed on everything.

not to mention the way the breakaway characteristics dramatically change the way you would drive (on the street).

Say, for instance, someone was cruising along hot. If they had Pzeros on, they might not know they needed to slow down, as the tires wouldn't give much feedback. The PSS on the other hand, gives plenty of feedback. There's fair warning before they let go...so, if you were...say...hauling *** along the edge of a cliff, a wise driver would SLOW DOWN RATHER THAN TRYING TO KILL US ALL TO DEMONSTRATE THAT PSS' GRIP WELL ON GRASS TOO:roflpuke2:

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

pirelli was a fine brand, but they've got very little in the way of serious offerings in the range we'd be shopping.

The fact is, Pzeros (which steve had on his car prior to the PSS') are not far off in terms of raw grip. They're actually a decent tire, but the way they feel does not inspire confidence. That's fine when the pro's are testing, but if you're not dialed into your car, the limits on the pzeros feel MUCH lower.

Yup.

The trouble with multiple tire suppliers is managing competition and safety.

All race series want to have good racing. Tire compound is a big factor in how competitively cars will race. When everyone is on the same compound (or at least has the same compound options) it keeps competition closer.

Also, tire wars can get out of hand. It happened in NASCAR when Hoosier and Goodyear were both suppliers. They battled to make the grippiest, fastest tire possible... it turned out to be terribly unsafe. The Hoosier tires were blowing out often resulting in massive crashes. At the peak of the tire war a decision was made to go back to one supplier for the sake of safety and competition.

When you've got just one supplier they can work on balancing speed and safety, instead of just focusing on speed.

ok show me where on any chart that shows this VAST difference.. id love to see.. the charts i see show them all very close.. maybe for you and your driving style there is a vast difference.. but i doubt u are at the same level as the pros...:stirthepot:

so again i will agree that overall yes the pss are a better tire..(I NEVER SAID THEY WERENT.) all i did was give a alternative for a tire that i like.. that in ever chart i look at is very very close to the pss even tho its a older dated material..:icon17:

the word vast is nowhere in my post, so stop trying to strawman.

There's no chart for breakaway characteristic, but if you've driven on both tires it is immensely clear.

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The PZeros had massive grip (relative to something like an RE050A) but don't feel as good as the PSS at the limit. They also ride harsher, wear faster, and are louder.

PSS is really a great example of new tire technology and what's to come. I'm sure Pirelli will be refreshing their lineup with new goodies soon.

Steef go answer my tires size question on FB :p

i agree with new tire technology.. but one of the things i saw many times in all comparisons about the pss is that they wish it had a softer ride... also going back to the charts all the areas you just said when compaired by pros the difference is very slight...

I think what he means is that for the pros it's not very different, but for us non-pros it is different.

and even more so, street driving vs not.

I would never drive the pzeros near the limit on the street. breakaway is far too unpredictable, relative to something like the PSS that has even terrible drivers like steve taking to the limit of their on-grass adhesion

sorry about the miss quote.. im not the best with typeing..

anyway i have driven both. iv owned both (not on the 370z).. for me i liked the pirellis better.. again my opnion... but when i pushed my car i felt i had way more grip with the pirellis, which gave me more confidence allowing me to push my car harder..

which tires?

comparing brands is ridiculous. they leapfrog each other every couple years.

I think you all need to adopt the spelling "tyres." Makes it more fun.

Italy - playing a little catch-up here, but just curious: have you ever tracked or Auto-X-ed? Or are you basing a lot of this off of just an occasional spirited drive?

my 2004 crossfire came with pss on them.. i changed to the pirellis within 5k miles... the car felt more stable and had more grip..

maybe the compound they are useing now is better than what they used back in 2004-2005..but i did not like the michelin at all..

Great, and you can start talking about putting your boots in your boot - deal?

we arent European lol

i used to run the drag stip every weekend with my buddies shop dynamic motorsports.. im pretty sure my name is still on beaver sprigs raceway website along with our group photos if you go on there and look up back in like 2002-2006

also i ran auto-x when i worked at sunmotor cars porsche.. they always had driver events and i would go to as many as i could with the sales manager jon yetter...

I don't think the PSS were even out at that time.

no, it likely had michelin pilots. Not even close.

Which pirellis are you talking about?

also i have been raceing cars since i was 16.. my dad got me into it and i took it from there.. i have also when to a driving school back when i lived in MA..

PSS weren't around in 2004. You must be thinking PS2?

Gotcha.

Well, Im sure you know almost none of this applies to drag strip characteristics.

AutoX...its applicable in a minor way at best, since the runs are so short, your tires arent truly running hot in the first place.

Pretty amazing how much they can change after a hot lap or two on a track, however...

They get more slidey as I like to call it :icon17:

Yep and that's where even the PSS falls behind the RE11s of the world. :tup:

I'm pretty sure the car just had pilot sports. the original.

Though this was with all seasons on a small track :roflpuke2:

One of you fgts want to answer my question on FB now? :p

255/35 zr 19 pirelli pzero

255/35 zr 19 michelin pilot not sure if they were super sports fairly sure they were

Oh well then that explains it.

FWIW PSS was introduced in 2011/2012.

Depends on the rubber compound.

The best will get even grippier when hot, and will give plenty of "tire talk" and warning when they are about to give out on you.

The worst will practically melt down, get gooey/slippery, and have unpredictable handling characteristics at best. Even a good spirited drive on the road cant quite get up to track-level of tire temps simply because of the rubber build-up on the track, which gives even MORE grip where it's needed.

Those tires couldn't even handle your brake pads on the street. They were doomed to be worthless on a track, sadly.

you are prob right im not a 100% what model they were.. all i know is i didnt like them.. now that was 6 years ago and im sure they are better now.. but like i keep saying this is my personal preference.. i like pirelli and will always run them.. i will not give in or follow the crowd its what i like.. if you dont like them thats fine you dont have to run them.. for me and the way i drive they are what i use... and will always use....