NOVA/DC/MD - Z's & Coffee Saturday's at 10AM in Fairfax, VA & Columbia, MD

b1adesofcha0s · 04-13-2012, 02:35 PM

Yeah Chris I think the point is to take it slow and steady to improve your driving skills over time. What you're saying is that you want to take a bunch of HPDE's in a short period of time and then just become an amazing driver. If you take one HPDE, you can use what you learn there and practice it somewhere like an AutoX session. Those are like $40 each and you can sit with instructor as well. You can learn basics at the HPDE and then sharpen your skills with AutoX, which will save you a lot of time and money. This way, by the time you are ready to do several HPDE's a year your skills will be way higher than if you just wait and do nothing till then.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

If you think we're labeling you as ignorant and an idiot, then you yourself, are being ignorant. I'm trying to help you realize that you're being WAY too broad in your goals, and as such, you are fitting the bill for everyone I've ever met who "talks the talk" but doesnt do what they need to do, to "walk the walk".

You can have aspirations of wheel-to-wheel competition. That's fine. But right now your goal needs to be getting on track to learn and gain experience. That means doing HPDEs as you can afford them, regardless of whether or not you know you will want more. Of course you'll want more! And like everyone else you'll have to wait until you can afford to have it.

What you're doing right now is saying, "until I can afford to go after wheel-to-wheel competition I'm going to stay completely off track. I'm not even going to bother with getting an HPDE or two under my belt, however infrequently, so I can start gaining experience NOW. Even though I understand this experience will likely help me shape my ultimate goals for the future, which most likely include some form of wheel-to-wheel competition, I still choose to postpone all track activity until I am able to go after it all at once."

That's unrealistic and foolish, IMO.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

If you think we're labeling you as ignorant and an idiot, then you yourself, are being ignorant. I'm trying to help you realize that you're being WAY too broad in your goals, and as such, you are fitting the bill for everyone I've ever met who "talks the talk" but doesnt do what they need to do, to "walk the walk".

Then let's go to the track then. I have no problem doing it. If it is expensive, screw it. At least then I can be moved from the Talkers column to the Walkers column.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Like I said, its making me sound like a dumbass and ignorant. If I had the money I'd already be on the damn track every single weekend. But I don't. So no, not wanting to do it is not the case.

And like I said, maybe my goals are high, but it's something to keep working towards and striving for. Most people never make the goals they set in life, but it doesn't stop them from doing it. And although you may (obviously) not agree with my goal, that doesn't make it any less worthwhile.

I don't want to just ride around the track with an instructor telling me what I did right/wrong. I want to go beyond that. I wanna be able to do more than just what you can in an HDPE. If it's expensive, so be it. If it takes time, so what. It's not your time being wasted.

I love racing. I love my car. What's so wrong with wanting to enjoy both as best I can???

This is the damn problem. THAT IS WHERE YOU START.

You want so much you are unwilling to pass "GO."

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This is the damn problem. THAT IS WHERE YOU START.

You want so much you are unwilling to pass "GO."

It's not an unwillingness Steve. I have no problem DOING it. It's FUNDING it. That's the hindrance man...

I'd hate to go do 1 HDPE knowing it would be the Only time I'd be able to ever do it, and get that close.

Red__Zed · 04-13-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

It's not an unwillingness Steve. I have no problem DOING it. It's FUNDING it. That's the hindrance man...

I'd hate to go do 1 HDPE knowing it would be the Only time I'd be able to ever do it, and get that close.

Would it be better to never go?

b1adesofcha0s · 04-13-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

It's not an unwillingness Steve. I have no problem DOING it. It's FUNDING it. That's the hindrance man...

I'd hate to go do 1 HDPE knowing it would be the Only time I'd be able to ever do it, and get that close.

HPDE's are like $200-300 for a day and like $300-400 for a full weekend I think. Might take a little time to save up for each one, but it's not like a once in a lifetime kind of price.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

It's not an unwillingness Steve. I have no problem DOING it. It's FUNDING it. That's the hindrance man...

I'd hate to go do 1 HDPE knowing it would be the Only time I'd be able to ever do it, and get that close.

This seems so hopeless dude. You have the completely wrong mentality.

Your thought process should be: "Ok, I can afford to do one HPDE right now. Let's do it! I'll have so much fun I'll start saving for the next one and go when I can!."

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Would it be better to never go?

It's a lot easier wondering what it would be like, and not having it. Then to have had it, know what it's like and know you won't be able to again. I've already tasted that bitterness in other areas of life. I'd really rather to not have it in this one.

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

HPDE's are like $200-300 for a day and like $300-400 for a full weekend I think. Might take a little time to save up for each one, but it's not like a once in a lifetime kind of price.

I understand this, and on your guy's income, thats doable. Not so much for mine I'm sorry to admit. But one day, hopefully with enough time and effort that won't be the case and I'll be able to afford that.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 02:44 PM

It's better to HPDE once and then HPDE again a year later than to never have HPDE'd at all.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Then let's go to the track then. I have no problem doing it. If it is expensive, screw it. At least then I can be moved from the Talkers column to the Walkers column.

You're getting defensive, and its making you sound silly. Would you prefer I sugar coat it, or tell you how it looks? You DO realize the best of friends tell you the truth in things, and dont just dance around it?

And if you did that, you'd probably change your tune about your goals.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's better to HPDE once and then HPDE again a year later than to never have HPDE'd at all.

Because you know you'll do it again.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-13-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This seems so hopeless dude. You have the completely wrong mentality.

Your thought process should be: "Ok, I can afford to do one HPDE right now. Let's do it! I'll have so much fun I'll start saving for the next one and go when I can!."

That's exactly where I am right now (or will be once I finish school). I just want to get one done sometime this summer since it will probably be all I can afford after buying the supporting mods. I know I can do a lot more next year, but I would like to get at least one this year.

shadoquad · 04-13-2012, 02:45 PM

Boy, you guys seem to care a lot about whether or not Chris tracks his car

Chris, here's my advice. Do what you want with the car that you own.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

You're getting defensive, and its making you sound silly. Would you prefer I sugar coat it, or tell you how it looks? You DO realize the best of friends tell you the truth in things, and dont just dance around it?

And if you did that, you'd probably change your tune about your goals.

I'm getting pissed because of how much I want to do it and I can't. I'd like to be right there with you on the track going lap for lap, but I can't.

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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Yeah Chris I think the point is to take it slow and steady to improve your driving skills over time. What you're saying is that you want to take a bunch of HPDE's in a short period of time and then just become an amazing driver. If you take one HPDE, you can use what you learn there and practice it somewhere like an AutoX session. Those are like $40 each and you can sit with instructor as well. You can learn basics at the HPDE and then sharpen your skills with AutoX, which will save you a lot of time and money. This way, by the time you are ready to do several HPDE's a year your skills will be way higher than if you just wait and do nothing till then. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	It's better to HPDE once and then HPDE again a year later than to never have HPDE'd at all. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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