Anyone here into firearms?

VABAM

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VABAM

The scope you ordered has 100 MOA (0 +/- 50 MOA) internal elevation adjustment. You should be okay with a 20 MOA base shooting at 300 yards and even 100 yards. Lets start with this; a 100 yard zero, the scope you ordered, 2" height over bore and a 0 MOA base. A 308 bullet rises about 1-2" @ 100 yards before dropping so the scope zero will be roughly in the middle of your elevation adjustment (@100 yards). Even if it takes 10 MOA up (Point Of Impact down) to zero the scope you're left with 40 MOA up (POI down) and 60 MOA down (POI up). In theory if you then add a 20 MOA base you'll then have 20 MOA up (POI down) left and 80 MOA for down (POI up) left for bullet drop. This is all theory, real world mileage might vary!

Hope I didn't confuse you more.

From what I have read you might have ran into an issue using a 20 MOA base for short range shooting if you had gone with a 1" tube scope or a cheap scope with limited adjustment. However you ordered a high quality 30mm tube scope with plenty of adjustment.


I would go with a rail and rings. Gives you a lot of options and makes swapping out optics easier. I plan on using a Badger Ordnance rail and rings for my future build. If you use a one piece mount or a rail, look into bedding it to the top of your receiver. Sometime the front and rear of a receiver are not perfectly lined up. This causes the scope mount to flex and that flex is transmitted into the scope tube. There are some good DIYs on YouTube of how to bed a one piece scope mount/rail.

Thanks for the pic BTW

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6MT

Good advice. Thanks a lot. Yes the 30mm tube is much better. And yes, I believe I'll go with the steel one piece rail with the 20moa rise so I can have some options if I need them. NF rings are good as well.

And I won't be doing the rail or scope mounting. I have a smith friend who will do that and bore sight it for me.

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VABAM

I'm a DIYer when it comes to mounting and bore sighting scopes (and redots, open sight, etc.). Bore sighting is easy and you don't even need any fancy tools especially for a bolt action. So, it surprises me when people skip this very important step. Case in point; I was at the 100 yard section of one my local ranges when a guy with a scout scoped Nagant set up next to me. When he took his first shot I saw chunks of concrete go flying through the air. Then I heard him say "Where did it go?". I looked up from my rifle just in time to see his second shot hit the concrete barrier that is suspended over the targets to prevent shots from going over the berm. The barrier is 8 ft off the ground. I quickly told him to cease fire and then asked him if he had bore sighted his scope. He said no and he thought he didn't need to. I tried to bore sight his rifle for him but with his scope and mount adjustments maxed out he was still 3 ft off. That's why you always bore sight your rifle (handguns and shotguns too) when ever you make a major change to you sights or scope.

BTW this wasn’t directed at any one in particular just 6MT's post reminded me of that experience for some reason.
Just felt like sharing.

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SgtGoldy

since were on the topic:

What do you guys think of those laser bore sight bullets?




I've never used one but planning on getting the crimson trace grip for my EDC Kimber CDP II so I thought this would be a good way to line up the laser sights.

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SouthArk370Z

I haven't used one but have heard other ppl say that they are great for pistols - more convenient than the ones that fit in the end of the barrel, especially if you have a short barrel. I assume they would work just as well in a rifle. No idea about the particular brand/models shown.

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SgtGoldy

Picture was just for reference. I just wanted to get opinions on em before I pulled the trigger on getting one. It'd suck to buy it just to find out they don't produce an accurate line.

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SouthArk370Z

FWIW, for initial lining up of laser dot pointers on handguns, I just use the iron sights and a spot on a wall. Usually gets me very close.

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Ghostvette

Those are similar to what I've used and I like them. The one drawback is having to buy adapters for the different calibers. Outside of that, I think they are pretty good.

One comment about laser sights on handguns, learn to use the iron sights first. The laser is great for low-light situations, so you can acquire the target quickly. I've watched a lot of people try to use the laser as their 'aiming device' and be all over the target, then cuss the gun for being crap. Being the inquisitive sort, I ask to try it (after offering to buy the gun from them), then proceed to obliterate the X-ring with their 'crap' gun. Lasers are 'cool', but my preference is for night sights. Just my

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SgtGoldy

Its my concealed carry. If sh*t happens I doubt I will be aiming down the sights, the laser will just give me a quick "hey its pointing at the guy, you should probably pull the trigger now". But for target practice I wouldn't even turn the laser on. No point imo.

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SouthArk370Z

I haven't been very impressed with laser sights. I have tried them on home-protection handguns and 1) you have to remember to turn them on in a tense situation and 2) they give away your position. Seems to me to be like racking a pump shotgun - more for effect on the person on the wrong end than anything else. If I'm protecting my home, my goal is not to scare you. YMMV

I've removed the laser sights from all my handguns except a BB pistol.

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SgtGoldy

My home protection gun is a Glock 21SF with a TLR2 laser/light mounted to my rail.

I have once had to clear my house with it (heard a window break middle of the night. Come to find out it was just kids that threw a rock through it). I didn't turn the light or laser on cause my eyes were adjusted to the dark. I can see using it though, which is why I keep it on the gun. I rather have it there and not need the light rather than need it and not have it.

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MacCool

I've never bothered with bore-sighting. I sight in a scope from short distances to get it one paper, then move outward. On my rifles with RDS, I just move the dot to co-witness with the irons, if the rifle has irons (not all of my AR's do).

I don't use lasers on my firearms...never found it useful. I do occasionally mount lights. I have some conventional lights I can mount with a QD picatinney mount, but more often I just use my good ol' TLR-1 on my ARs and on my pistols. I don't keep them on the guns all the time, I just keep the light in the safe with the guns.


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VABAM

All my defensive pistols have a laser or laser/light combo. IMO lasers are for worst case scenarios. Case in point; I wear glasses and contact lenses. With out my glasses or contacts I have a hard time seeing the open sights on my pistols clearly but, I can see the dot of a laser. What if I loose a contact in a struggle or something goes bump in the night and I only have enough time to grab my pistol?

Just for the record, with out my glasses or contacts I can see well enough to identify friend or foe with proper illumination. Hence why my "bed side" pistol, a HK45, has a Surefire X400 light laser combo.

I’m a firm believer that lasers should not be used as a substitute for trigger time. I rarely use my lasers at the range. When I do it is mainly to check the zero of the laser. I do dry fire practice with my lasers at home so the muscle memory is there when needed.

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Ghostvette

I didn't intend to disparage anyone's use of a laser/tac light on their pistol, I'm sorry if it came across that way. Everything we use, be it tac light, laser or whatever is a matter of personal choice. The important thing to remember is that practice is the key, be it live fire on the range or dry fire at home. The other part of the equation is the mental decision to use deadly force when and if it becomes necessary.

Again, my apologies. I see a lot of 'tacticool' people at the ranges that absolutely have to have the latest and greatest gadget on their toy and can't hit the broad side of a barn, yet blow through a box of ammo, no perceptible group on the paper and consider themselves John Wayne.

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