Anyone here into firearms?

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2011, 10:19 AM

Nice rifle IC

ImportConvert · 12-27-2011, 10:39 AM

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Nice rifle IC

TY! Now for a camera to take better pictures of it...

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2011, 10:41 AM

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TY! Now for a camera to take better pictures of it...

frost · 12-27-2011, 09:32 PM

Gun sales at record levels, according to FBI background checks - CNN.com

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2011, 10:10 PM

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Gun sales at record levels, according to FBI background checks - CNN.com

Better buy now!

ImportConvert · 12-27-2011, 10:45 PM

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Better buy now!

Yep, NFA processing times are going through the roof. Why I bought a can NOW. Do it, or forever hold your peace.

BlackZeda · 12-28-2011, 08:58 AM

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Gun sales at record levels, according to FBI background checks - CNN.com

Yet crime statistics keep dropping:

Crime rates keep dropping, FBI crime statistics show

We obviously need more gun control laws...

nuTinmuch · 12-28-2011, 02:25 PM

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Yet crime statistics keep dropping:

Crime rates keep dropping, FBI crime statistics show

We obviously need more gun control laws...

I think connecting A and B is a bit of a stretch.

BlackZeda · 12-28-2011, 04:03 PM

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I think connecting A and B is a bit of a stretch.

I agree with you.

Yet if statistics indicated that crime were going up that connection (correlation I think is the best term) would be headline news every major newspaper and network newscast. New tough gun control legislation would be pushed for and gun owners would be demonized.

It is interesting though...usually when the economy hits the skids crime rises. Why do you think it has not?

ImportConvert · 12-29-2011, 06:10 AM

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Yet crime statistics keep dropping:

Crime rates keep dropping, FBI crime statistics show

We obviously need more gun control laws...

Looks like it's not tied to "scary firearms" at all, as the sun-set of the AWB didn't have any effect what-so-ever.

Or maybe it IS! tied to firearms. Look at the little dip in violent crimes in 2008/2009...

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-11/j...er?_s=PM:CRIME

Hrrmmm...record firearm sales...record crime lows...hrmmm....

Just think, how would YOU behave if you knew nearly everyone had a firearm on their person? Would you cut people off in traffic as often? Yell at someone for taking too long at some task? It would make our society much more polite, I believe. Further, exactly how long do you think you would last on a shooting-spree on a college campus if every student and professor who wished to own a firearm and carry it was doing so? Yeah. Probably not nearly as long as some of those tragic events lasted. Nor as damaging.

frost · 12-28-2011, 11:50 PM

More and more women embracing gun ownership - CBS News

wstar · 12-29-2011, 10:44 AM

Correlation != Causation regardless. Just about any time you see a statistical correlation used in an argument (especially in the news), there's no proof of causal link. It could as easily be that lower crime rates paradoxically cause an increase in the sales of guns by some social/psychological effect nobody's thought of. Or it could be that the average temperature rose 0.03 degrees during that timeframe, and rising temperatures cause both a drop in crime and an independent increase in gun sales. Or it could be random chance.

There are many more sound arguments for gun ownership than dubious crime stats correlations.

nuTinmuch · 12-29-2011, 01:21 PM

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Just think, how would YOU behave if you knew nearly everyone had a firearm on their person? Would you cut people off in traffic as often? Yell at someone for taking too long at some task? It would make our society much more polite, I believe.

I don't think it would really matter.

After all, if everyone carries a gun, then isn't the playing field even?

ImportConvert · 12-29-2011, 08:44 PM

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I don't think it would really matter.

After all, if everyone carries a gun, then isn't the playing field even?

Higher stakes. Things would not be the same.

nuTinmuch · 12-29-2011, 08:49 PM

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Higher stakes. Things would not be the same.

Higher stakes than 3-ton automobiles being tossed at each other?

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Correlation != Causation regardless. Just about any time you see a statistical correlation used in an argument (especially in the news), there's no proof of causal link. It could as easily be that lower crime rates paradoxically cause an increase in the sales of guns by some social/psychological effect nobody's thought of. Or it could be that the average temperature rose 0.03 degrees during that timeframe, and rising temperatures cause both a drop in crime and an independent increase in gun sales. Or it could be random chance. There are many more sound arguments for gun ownership than dubious crime stats correlations. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details