Anyone here into firearms?

Roo · 07-15-2009, 11:32 PM

I use to be a FFL but sold my business, I use to specialize in AR15s. I can no longer get lowers and entire firearms but I can get all accessories and upper receivers.... If your interested let me know, it'll be cheaper than anywhere else I promise you.

tvfreakazoid · 07-17-2009, 05:46 AM

I sent you a couple of pms

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo

I use to be a FFL but sold my business, I use to specialize in AR15s. I can no longer get lowers and entire firearms but I can get all accessories and upper receivers.... If your interested let me know, it'll be cheaper than anywhere else I promise you.

dad · 07-22-2009, 01:01 PM

Senate rejects law on carrying concealed weapons
Senate turns down proposal to make permits valid despite differing laws

Foes said it would force states to honor laws in more gun-permissive states

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate narrowly rejected a measure to allow people to carry concealed weapons from state to state Wednesday.

A Miami, Florida, gun store offers concealed weapons training.

The vote was 58 to 39. The amendment needed 60 votes to pass.

The measure would have required each of the 48 states that allow concealed firearms to honor permits issued in other states.

It was the first significant defeat this year for the gun lobby.

The concealed weapons proposal was an amendment to a larger defense appropriations bill, introduced by Sen. John Thune, a South Dakota Republican.

Supporters of the measure argued it would help deter criminals; opponents claimed it would endanger innocent people by effectively forcing most of the country to conform to regulations in states with the loosest gun ownership standards.

Sen. John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican who is a co-sponsor of the amendment, argued Wednesday that gun licenses should apply across state lines, like driver's licenses.

"People travel," he said on CNN's "American Morning."

"We have truck drivers on our roads, people traveling for vacation in their vehicles, and if you have a license... you should be able to use that license in other states. It should apply like a driver's license," he said.

He argued that concealed weapons deter crime.

But Republican Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York City and an opponent of the law, said the proposed amendment would trample on states' rights.

"Wyoming shouldn't be subject to New York state laws, and we're going in that direction," he said. "What's right for the people of Wyoming isn't necessarily right for the people of New York and vice versa."

Bloomberg insisted that guns do not make people safer.

"There's no evidence that if you have a gun, you're safer. Quite the contrary. If you have a gun at home, [you are] something like 20 times more likely to have somebody in your house killed," he said on "American Morning."

"We have to protect our policemen, protect our citizens. We can't have all these guns, and it's reasonable to have each state make their own laws," he said.

The issue has blurred Capitol Hill's usual partisan lines. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, is one of several Southern and Western Democrats who supported the measure. Others Democrats opposed it.

Before this vote, gun control advocates faced a setback when President Obama signed a credit card bill that included a provision allowing people to carry guns in national parks

wstar · 07-22-2009, 01:30 PM

Too bad Bloomberg doesn't know the facts (re safety), but regardless, this should be passed, as it is just like the driver's license issue. Yes, driver's license reciprocity means that any state allows drivers from states with the most lax driving tests to drive. Most states don't really even have driving tests beyond what you do at age 16 when you first get your license anyways, and cars kill far more people than handguns in this country.

If they're really concerned about training standards for concealed carry reciprocity, they could simply add a measure to the bill stating minimum federal requirements for the concealed handgun standards and training in order to participate in the reciprocity.

Many concealed-carry states have already independently signed reciprocity agreements with each other anyways, just not all of them, and it's a huge, slow, bureaucratic mess getting every state to individually sign off with every other one.

What New York (and similar states, the very few of them there are) are more concerned about is that their version of concealed carry licensing is prohibitively restrictive. They generally don't issue them to anyone who isn't a judge, cop, ex-cop, or famous person, whereas states like TX are required by law to issue a license to anyone who meets all the basic requirements (which generally amount to not being a criminal or insane, taking some classroom instruction on gun safety issues, threat escalation, and criminal psychology, and passing a shooting proficiency test). So they don't want people bypassing their restrictive issuance of licenses by just going and getting licensed in another, more lenient state.

Again, this is easily remedied by amending the bill to only apply to states with "shall issue" -style carry licensing (meaning it's not up to the whim of a random person in power whether you get licensed or not, like NY is).

Still, we almost got it passed, only missed it by two votes. Fix one or both of those issues and get it through already, lazy-*** congress-critters.

dad · 07-23-2009, 12:27 PM

NRA warns senators Sotomayor vote will be rated

WASHINGTON – The National Rifle Association is warning senators that it will consider their votes on Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor as part of its influential annual ratings of lawmakers.

The NRA says President Barack Obama's first high court nominee has a hostile view of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. It announced last week that it was opposing her nomination, although her confirmation in early August is virtually guaranteed.

Its promise Thursday to score the upcoming vote amounts to a threat to Republicans and conservative Democrats whose constituents are strong gun rights advocates. It comes one day after the gun lobby suffered a major loss in the Senate with defeat of a concealed weapon measure.

Pushing_Tin · 07-24-2009, 12:01 AM

I see this as a states' rights issue. Every state has different training requirements and different exclusions. Some states disqualify a person if they've had DUI, domestic abuse, felonies, dishonorable discharges from the military, and others have very few if any. I am a big believer in the right to carry, but each state should be able to decide what's legal and what's not. Just like assited suicide, medical marijuana etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad

NRA warns senators Sotomayor vote will be rated

WASHINGTON – The National Rifle Association is warning senators that it will consider their votes on Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor as part of its influential annual ratings of lawmakers.

The NRA says President Barack Obama's first high court nominee has a hostile view of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. It announced last week that it was opposing her nomination, although her confirmation in early August is virtually guaranteed.

Its promise Thursday to score the upcoming vote amounts to a threat to Republicans and conservative Democrats whose constituents are strong gun rights advocates. It comes one day after the gun lobby suffered a major loss in the Senate with defeat of a concealed weapon measure.

wstar · 07-24-2009, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

I see this as a states' rights issue. Every state has different training requirements and different exclusions. Some states disqualify a person if they've had DUI, domestic abuse, felonies, dishonorable discharges from the military, and others have very few if any. I am a big believer in the right to carry, but each state should be able to decide what's legal and what's not. Just like assited suicide, medical marijuana etc.

I'm generally pro-states-rights as well, so I certainly see your point. To me this is a practical issue of concern though, which is why I lean the other way. I like to travel around the US a bit at times, and with the way things are now it's a pain in the *** re: concealed carry. Have to go research the current reciprocity status between TX and the other state(s), and then find out everything about how their carry laws and deadly force laws differ from ours, etc. This stuff really needs to be standardized and simple, because as it stands now it's an impediment to one of the core concepts of the 2nd ammendment: that regular people should have the right to arm and defend themselves (without hours of legal research and big question marks in their heads as they cross state borders).

Part of fixing that is getting rid of the superfluous restrictions some states have (which are arguably too infringing on 2A rights), and standardizing the rest. For instance, fed law already makes it illegal to own any kind of gun if you've ever been convicted of a felony, so that one's obvious. TX extends this in the concealed carry case to also exclude people who've committed class A misdemeanors in the past 10 years, or Class B in the last 5 - that sort of thing could be standardized across states pretty easily.

But once you start getting down into things like whether you've had a dishonorable discharge, or whether you owe unpaid child support (I think we have that restriction in TX currently), you're getting into the murky territory of suppressing a person's 2A freedom's just to punitively enforce an unrelated moral (as opposed to restrictions which relate more directly to a person's likelyhood to be a net increase rather than decrease in everyone's safety by carrying). Encouraging people not to do those things is great, but we have other laws for that, and it just seems like the gun-law version of pork. Standardize on the basics that make sense for restricting carry at a federal level: felons, misdemeanor convictions within X years, any history of mental illness without a clean bill from a psych, restraining orders, etc.

Roo · 07-27-2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I sent you a couple of pms

I don't have any

07-22-2009, 01:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 25	Senate rejects law on carrying concealed weapons Senate turns down proposal to make permits valid despite differing laws Foes said it would force states to honor laws in more gun-permissive states WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate narrowly rejected a measure to allow people to carry concealed weapons from state to state Wednesday. A Miami, Florida, gun store offers concealed weapons training. The vote was 58 to 39. The amendment needed 60 votes to pass. The measure would have required each of the 48 states that allow concealed firearms to honor permits issued in other states. It was the first significant defeat this year for the gun lobby. The concealed weapons proposal was an amendment to a larger defense appropriations bill, introduced by Sen. John Thune, a South Dakota Republican. Supporters of the measure argued it would help deter criminals; opponents claimed it would endanger innocent people by effectively forcing most of the country to conform to regulations in states with the loosest gun ownership standards. Sen. John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican who is a co-sponsor of the amendment, argued Wednesday that gun licenses should apply across state lines, like driver's licenses. "People travel," he said on CNN's "American Morning." "We have truck drivers on our roads, people traveling for vacation in their vehicles, and if you have a license... you should be able to use that license in other states. It should apply like a driver's license," he said. He argued that concealed weapons deter crime. But Republican Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York City and an opponent of the law, said the proposed amendment would trample on states' rights. "Wyoming shouldn't be subject to New York state laws, and we're going in that direction," he said. "What's right for the people of Wyoming isn't necessarily right for the people of New York and vice versa." Bloomberg insisted that guns do not make people safer. "There's no evidence that if you have a gun, you're safer. Quite the contrary. If you have a gun at home, [you are] something like 20 times more likely to have somebody in your house killed," he said on "American Morning." "We have to protect our policemen, protect our citizens. We can't have all these guns, and it's reasonable to have each state make their own laws," he said. The issue has blurred Capitol Hill's usual partisan lines. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, is one of several Southern and Western Democrats who supported the measure. Others Democrats opposed it. Before this vote, gun control advocates faced a setback when President Obama signed a credit card bill that included a provision allowing people to carry guns in national parks __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

07-22-2009, 01:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Too bad Bloomberg doesn't know the facts (re safety), but regardless, this should be passed, as it is just like the driver's license issue. Yes, driver's license reciprocity means that any state allows drivers from states with the most lax driving tests to drive. Most states don't really even have driving tests beyond what you do at age 16 when you first get your license anyways, and cars kill far more people than handguns in this country. If they're really concerned about training standards for concealed carry reciprocity, they could simply add a measure to the bill stating minimum federal requirements for the concealed handgun standards and training in order to participate in the reciprocity. Many concealed-carry states have already independently signed reciprocity agreements with each other anyways, just not all of them, and it's a huge, slow, bureaucratic mess getting every state to individually sign off with every other one. What New York (and similar states, the very few of them there are) are more concerned about is that their version of concealed carry licensing is prohibitively restrictive. They generally don't issue them to anyone who isn't a judge, cop, ex-cop, or famous person, whereas states like TX are required by law to issue a license to anyone who meets all the basic requirements (which generally amount to not being a criminal or insane, taking some classroom instruction on gun safety issues, threat escalation, and criminal psychology, and passing a shooting proficiency test). So they don't want people bypassing their restrictive issuance of licenses by just going and getting licensed in another, more lenient state. Again, this is easily remedied by amending the bill to only apply to states with "shall issue" -style carry licensing (meaning it's not up to the whim of a random person in power whether you get licensed or not, like NY is). Still, we almost got it passed, only missed it by two votes. Fix one or both of those issues and get it through already, lazy-*** congress-critters. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

07-23-2009, 12:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 25	NRA warns senators Sotomayor vote will be rated WASHINGTON – The National Rifle Association is warning senators that it will consider their votes on Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor as part of its influential annual ratings of lawmakers. The NRA says President Barack Obama's first high court nominee has a hostile view of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. It announced last week that it was opposing her nomination, although her confirmation in early August is virtually guaranteed. Its promise Thursday to score the upcoming vote amounts to a threat to Republicans and conservative Democrats whose constituents are strong gun rights advocates. It comes one day after the gun lobby suffered a major loss in the Senate with defeat of a concealed weapon measure. __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

07-15-2009, 11:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Roo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Alta Loma Posts: 161 Drives: 2009 370z with nav Rep Power: 15	I use to be a FFL but sold my business, I use to specialize in AR15s. I can no longer get lowers and entire firearms but I can get all accessories and upper receivers.... If your interested let me know, it'll be cheaper than anywhere else I promise you.