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MacCool 08-27-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1285028)
Seems even worse with my M&P. M&P owners' idea of customization is stippling :icon14:

There's always cerakoting...

I've used these guys several times. They do some great work.

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m4a1mustang 08-27-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Glokwork (Post 1285021)
Out of the box, yeah they're pretty plain. The limits are nearly endless with them, here's some of my toys Nissan 370Z Forum - Glokwork's Album: Toys

Very true.

I am planning my G26/G17 and future AR to be my "system."

The rest is just for fun.

m4a1mustang 08-27-2011 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1285035)
KelTec sounds good for a paperweight. These aren't competition weapons where a problem will cost you a trophy. Carry guns are meant to save lives. Aside from being small, carry guns must be as close to 100% reliable is a gun can come.

They seem like they are fun if you are willing to work on them. I know there are a lot of diehard owners out there that swear by them.

Ah well, they seem to be better than Hi-Point. :icon17:

frost 08-27-2011 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1285038)
There's always cerakoting...

I've used these guys several times. They do some great work.

Alternative Firearm Coatings Home Page

I assume the coatings have held up without issue ...? How long have you had them? Have they been through a "decent" amount of abuse? i.e., in and out of holsters and whatnot?

MacCool 08-27-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1285031)
Hmm those Raven holsters look really nice. They hold nice and tight to the body. I think I might give one a try with my Glock.

They're excellent holsters, but expensive, and there's about a 5 month backlog.

Glokwork 08-27-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1285035)
KelTec sounds good for a paperweight. These aren't competition weapons where a problem will cost you a trophy. Carry guns are meant to save lives. Aside from being small, carry guns must be as close to 100% reliable is a gun can come.

:iagree: Only got the P32 because it's cheap, very small and light. Something I can throw in my pocket when wearing basketball shorts or something. Really inconvenient when you have to ask the mugger/rapist/murderer/bigfoot/leprechaun/smelly dwarf for a timeout while you clear round from the chamber

m4a1mustang 08-27-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1285042)
They're excellent holsters, but expensive, and there's about a 5 month backlog.

Damn!

frost 08-27-2011 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Glokwork (Post 1285044)
:iagree: Only got the P32 because it's cheap, very small and light. Something I can throw in my pocket when wearing basketball shorts or something. Really inconvenient when you have to ask the mugger/rapist/murderer/bigfoot/leprechaun/smelly dwarf for a timeout while you clear round from the chamber

:icon18:

MacCool 08-27-2011 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1285041)
I assume the coatings have held up without issue ...? How long have you had them? Have they been through a "decent" amount of abuse? i.e., in and out of holsters and whatnot?

I've never had a whole firearm cerakoted, just various parts, and mostly on rifles. But those get more abuse than the pistols anyway, and the cerakote holds up well. It scuffs and mars like any other firearm finish, but I haven't scraped any off yet.

Yes, my firearms get thoroughly abused. I confess that I'm not very concerned about the cosmetics.

Glokwork 08-27-2011 11:28 PM

The minotaur MTAC. This is an amazing holster, recommend to anyone!
http://www.comp-tac.com/images/Black-MTAC-PN.jpg

Inside Waistband Holsters - Minotaur Holsters - products new home - Minotaur MTAC Holster

m4a1mustang 08-27-2011 11:29 PM

I love my MTAC.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g...252520MTAC.jpg

frost 08-27-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1285048)
I've never had a whole firearm cerakoted, just various parts, and mostly on rifles. But those get more abuse than the pistols anyway, and the cerakote holds up well. It scuffs and mars like any other firearm finish, but I haven't scraped any off yet.

Yes, my firearms get thoroughly abused. I confess that I'm not very concerned about the cosmetics.

Cool, thanks for the info. May have to check that out :tiphat:

MacCool 08-27-2011 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1285042)
They're excellent holsters, but expensive, and there's about a 5 month backlog.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1285045)
Damn!

They do crack at the belt loops over time, true of almost any Kydex holster. At $80 a pop, that's the reason I just started making my own holsters. All you need is some foam, a toaster oven, some rivets and a heat gun. You can buy all the hardware necessary to press kydex for less than the cost of two Ravens and a mag pouch.

Glokwork 08-27-2011 11:35 PM

Perhaps a shoulder holster for these
http://www.the370z.com/members/glokw...-5095028-n.jpg

Or maybe 4 MTACs for when the sh!t really hits the fan
http://www.the370z.com/members/glokw...-5503181-n.jpg

tvfreakazoid 08-29-2011 09:24 PM

Any decent holsters for lefties?

ResQguy 08-29-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Glokwork (Post 1285053)

I have both the MTAC, and the Crossbreed. Personally, I find the Crossbreed more comfortable.

Red__Zed 08-29-2011 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 1288036)
Any decent holsters for lefties?

i rock a lefty kholster

m4a1mustang 08-30-2011 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ResQguy (Post 1288048)
I have both the MTAC, and the Crossbreed. Personally, I find the Crossbreed more comfortable.

I would consider the Crossbreed if it wasn't for those damn crosses. They'd open up to a whole new market if they would offer the holsters without. :shakes head:

In other news, I sort of screwed up my MTAC a while back. Wore it while kayaking (stupid) and the leather got wet and reshaped, so it doesn't have the retention it did before. Should probably wet it again and try to reshape it. :icon17:

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Glokwork (Post 1285053)

It's what I use, and yes, it is.

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1285045)
Damn!

Yep, that's why I don't have a Crossbreed holster.

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1284981)
Kind of torn, I like the looks of the 380 much more than I do the p99, but would prefer the 9mm cartridge of the p99. I will probably end up with the p99 because performance trumps looks.

Good call, but before you do, check this little guy out, it's on my short list to T&E and either sell or keep, depending on results.

Diamondback Firearms: Manufacturers of fine hand weapons and accessories

Like a mini-glock, lol. I hope they run 100%. If so, will be my next handgun.

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1284947)
On my short-list:

Glock 17
Kel-Tec Sub 2000 Glock 9mm
Walther P99
Ruger LCP
AR-15
A 1911

It's a disease :(

If you MUST get a 1911, I strongly recommend a Wilson CQB if you're after a full-size. When my Supergrade wouldn't run, Wilson refunded my money on it. Les Baer just thumbed their nose at me when my TRS refused to run/looked like some idiot milled the frame with a drill press and rat-tail file in a prison work-shop, etc.

I hate 1911's because I think they are full of foibles and a relic of the past, so I cannot advise ANYONE to buy one, but if you must, Wilson Combat WILL! make sure you are satisfied. They even offered to build me an entirely new Tactical Supergrade, but I just told them "no thanks, I want to go buy something else" because they had gone over mine 3 times already, once when they made it, and twice more for repairs, and it just kept ******** the bed.

However, they made things right, and are a great company. I bought from Joe Rankin, just google him and Wilson Combat. He has great prices and is easy to deal with. I feel bad for asking him to refund the gun through Wilson for me, but business is business, and I didn't pay $4200 for a gun that had to go back to the factory twice and still wouldn't perform correctly.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1284580)
So the gf wants to start carrying, and thankfully she decided that she would like to carry on her person instead of in a purse... so we are looking at the little .380s. Kel-Tec P3AT, Ruger LCP, and Kahr p380... all small enough to carry mostly unnoticed IWB for a female.

I am pushing for the Kahr, even if I have to pay for it.

The Kahr CM9 is also an option... just have to get our hands on one first.

See if she will go for a 9mm. The 147gr loads that are now available, like the RA9T expand at low (sub-combact barrel) velocities, and don't "snap" hard, it's more like a push, and very controllable. Stay away from the 124 and 127gr +P and +P+ stuff, she might be really turned off by that, depending on the type of personality she is.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1285013)
I gotta say, I love my Glock but I am not in love with it. I love that it's dead reliable, shoots well, and really just does whatever I ask of it... but aside from that it's really boring. It will remain my primary carry gun and it and my future Glocks will be my workhorses, but **** me if they aren't boring! Love 'em for it, though.

That's part of why I love it. It's pure function. There is no art to it, just function. When it's all on the line, that's what I want. You don't send an artist into battle, you send in some meathead with a big gun and lots of muscle who's bent on killing the other guy. That's kindof how I view my Glock, in a sense. It's not going to make anyone oooh or ahhhh over the trigger, but it's meant to keep me alive, not win a pageant.

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1285004)
I have a weird OCD thing about 1911s that if I finally purchase one, I must have a matching one. 1911s have to be in pairs.

Then buy 4 so you can sell the 2 that don't work, lol

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1284951)
Oh, and a mossberg 500

I just bought a 590A1 SPX for a friend of mine.

My observations:

Very gritty action, rust in the chamber upon delivery (very light, and no, it wasn't brown packing grease/cosmoline). A little rust/bluing remover fixed that, and running about 200 rounds through it slicked it up VERY! well.

It's not a pretty gun, the front-sight is a hair canted (3-4*), but it's a brick out-house, and it will hold a 12" pattern at 40 yards with Federal 8-pellet Flite Control reduced-recoil buck, along with shooting slugs to same POA as the buck.

I really like it, and it's a good gun, the Glock of shotguns, as it were.

The mag-spring is weak, though. See about getting a Wolf upgrade or something. (this is for the full-length tube guns)

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1284418)
In VA I just carry the damn thing out in the open. :icon17:

Problem is, you're the first one to be shot in case of criminal action in your vicinity. I mean, who would you shoot first, if you were holding up a 7/11? The guy with a gun, or the guy without a gun. Since you're not going to shoot everyone you see, you have to wait until you notice someone pulling a weapon out to shoot you first, what that means is, THEY choose the time, THEY choose the location, because YOU are REacting to their ACTION. You lose, every time, unless they just fail at life.

That is why I feel that you should either CCW, or not at all, regardless of the law about open carry in your area.

m4a1mustang 09-01-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1292588)
If you MUST get a 1911, I strongly recommend a Wilson CQB if you're after a full-size. When my Supergrade wouldn't run, Wilson refunded my money on it. Les Baer just thumbed their nose at me when my TRS refused to run/looked like some idiot milled the frame with a drill press and rat-tail file in a prison work-shop, etc.

I hate 1911's because I think they are full of foibles and a relic of the past, so I cannot advise ANYONE to buy one, but if you must, Wilson Combat WILL! make sure you are satisfied. They even offered to build me an entirely new Tactical Supergrade, but I just told them "no thanks, I want to go buy something else" because they had gone over mine 3 times already, once when they made it, and twice more for repairs, and it just kept ******** the bed.

I love the feel of 1911s for a pure range or display gun. They just look great and feel great to me. And of course the design has a lot of history.

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See if she will go for a 9mm. The 147gr loads that are now available, like the RA9T expand at low (sub-combact barrel) velocities, and don't "snap" hard, it's more like a push, and very controllable. Stay away from the 124 and 127gr +P and +P+ stuff, she might be really turned off by that, depending on the type of personality she is.
The problem is size for concealed carry, which is why something like the Ruger LCP would probably work best. She'd likely have a higher carry % with a gun like that over a pocket 9mm, which is still considerably larger than the LCP.

She is a fine shot, though. 2" groupings at 7 yards with my G26 with both the 115gr FMJ target rounds and 124gr +p Gold Dots.


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That's part of why I love it. It's pure function. There is no art to it, just function. When it's all on the line, that's what I want. You don't send an artist into battle, you send in some meathead with a big gun and lots of muscle who's bent on killing the other guy. That's kindof how I view my Glock, in a sense. It's not going to make anyone oooh or ahhhh over the trigger, but it's meant to keep me alive, not win a pageant.
Yup :tup:

m4a1mustang 09-01-2011 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1292596)
Problem is, you're the first one to be shot in case of criminal action in your vicinity. I mean, who would you shoot first, if you were holding up a 7/11? The guy with a gun, or the guy without a gun. Since you're not going to shoot everyone you see, you have to wait until you notice someone pulling a weapon out to shoot you first, what that means is, THEY choose the time, THEY choose the location, because YOU are REacting to their ACTION. You lose, every time, unless they just fail at life.

That is why I feel that you should either CCW, or not at all, regardless of the law about open carry in your area.

I've said before that I prefer CCW and do that 99.9% of the time.

But things are a little different in VA, especially in southern VA, where everyone open carries, so if you were going to rob a 7-11 you'd run out of bullets before you shot all of the OC'ers. :icon17:

m4a1mustang 09-01-2011 09:42 AM

Oh, Convert, my gf is very interested in that DB9. I've been doing my due dilligence on the gun and am hoping we can find one locally for her to check out.

At .8" wide it might be something she could carry. Slightly thinner than the Kahr variant. Not sure about the brand, though.

m4a1mustang 09-01-2011 09:46 AM

Though DB does have some notable reliablity concerns. It seems like they are VERY ammo sensitive so if I could get my hands on one I'd have to do a lot of testing before I could deem it reliable!

m4a1mustang 09-01-2011 02:31 PM

I feel like I'm just conversing with myself here. :icon17:

I am going to drive a ways on Saturday to check out a Diamondback dealer and get my hands on a DB9. From what I'm reading it's a reliable piece with premium ammo and a good break in period. Seems like 9/10 of the failures are a result of a loose grip. It is an 11oz gun afterall.

For $360-390 it looks like a pretty good deal. Only slightly larger than the Ruger LCP, $~75-100 more, and it packs quite a bit more punch.

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 02:39 PM

Sorry, I was out piloting my rocket ship around town getting my fingerprint cards filled out and mailing off my Form 4 stuff.

m4a1mustang 09-01-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1293301)
Sorry, I was out piloting my rocket ship around town getting my fingerprint cards filled out and mailing off my Form 4 stuff.

:tup:

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1293308)
:tup:

Totally stoked. CLEO signed off within 24 hours.

m4a1mustang 09-01-2011 03:58 PM

Very cool. At some point I might get into that stuff. I will go the trust route.

ImportConvert 09-01-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1293434)
Very cool. At some point I might get into that stuff. I will go the trust route.

It's better, but *right now* I just want 1 or 2 items, and our CLEO is very Form 4 friendly.

m4a1mustang 09-03-2011 06:37 PM

OK, went shopping today for a pistol for the girlfriend. Learned a few things:

1) The Diamondback DB9 in it's current state is an unreliable good idea. It needs at least another year or two of development.

2) The Kel-Tec Pf9 actually feels like a quality pistol. I am interested in one!

3) The Ruger LCP is TINY. Hard to get a real grip on but it's definitely "the" pocket pistol.

4) The Kahr PM9 is super nice, but the girl doesn't like it.

5) The Ruger LC9 is a quality piece. The girl loves it, and now it's sitting on the desk next to my Glock 26.

Glad she decided to go with a 9mm over the .380. She also feels more comfortable having a 1911 style thumb safety, and since the gun is for her I'm not going to argue.

frost 09-03-2011 07:15 PM

Now which one would you have purchased?

m4a1mustang 09-03-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1296712)
Now which one would you have purchased?

To be honest I'd be tempted to try the Kel-Tec PF9 for $299. It just felt nice in hand and was a good size for a compact single-stack.

The Ruger is a fine gun, though. I know a lot of people (myself included) have knocked it for the safeties, but if you're used to thumb safeties then it really is no big deal. The huge loaded chamber indicator is slightly annoying (I think it encourages people not to manually check the chamber as well), but overall it's a very well built gun with good ergonomics. Very concealable. The DAO trigger is also very nice. It's long, but very smooth with a clean break.

I think if I go after a pocketable 9mm myself I am going to go for the Kahr CM9. I love the Kahr triggers. But I do understand they are very tight and require a good break in (haha).

frost 09-03-2011 07:53 PM

Interesting. I sure haven't read a lot of good things about the PF9. Amongst the quality problems, I have read that it has a trigger that rivals those hang grip trainers.

m4a1mustang 09-03-2011 08:08 PM

Yeah, same here. I was surprised that it felt as good as it did in hand.

The trigger seemed OK. Ruger's is better. The trigger guard is also too small on the Kel-tec. I would be interested to try it out, though. I'd get one "just because." If it works well, w00t, another toy for only $299.

MacCool 09-04-2011 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1296683)


Glad she decided to go with a 9mm over the .380. She also feels more comfortable having a 1911 style thumb safety, and since the gun is for her I'm not going to argue.

Now I highly recommend that she get some training. Many CCW permittees are more dangerous to themselves or others with carrying a handgun than they are without.


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