So guys... I need your input. I just scored a particularly hard to come by, Italian nickel plated Beretta 84fs cheetah with wood grips... which I bought along the way, distracted in my pursuit if a 10mm. NOW I'm back to looking for a 10mm.

I dont want to break the bank. Looking to spend between $850 and $1300. I've shopped everything. And I think I've boiled it down to overrated kimber, or overpriced sig...
I like the delta elite but for the money, I feel the other two brands offer more. What do you guys think? Anyone own 10mm? Why do you love or hate yours?

Thanks. :tiphat:

I think street price is $370. But still... nope. I'm digging the 43x. Some company made a thin metal mag for it capable of holding 15in the mag. :happydance:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzsY4iKUbrw&feature=share

Here is my :twocents: on 10mm pistols.

If it is more function than form for you and if you aren't apposed to Glocks I say consider a Glock 20 or 40. I have a Glock 20 and run a factory 6" barrel in it. I Bought it before the G40 came out but I still would have gotten the G20. It gives me the option to run the stock barrel for a more compact back woods gun. If you are looking to reload 10mm then a Glock might not be the best. With full power 10mm you definitely get the Glock smile on the cases.

I'm definitely not a Glock fan boy but I can't deny Glocks functionality. My G20 has been reliable , accurate and recoil isn't bad considering its a polymer framed pistol. I got the G20 due to the lack of choice and the price of the average 10mm at the time I bought mine. I didn't really want to spend a lot on a 10mm at the time. I almost added another 10mm to my collection recently but my G20 works so well I changed my mind.
G20s go for about $550 and its long slide brother, the G40, goes for around $700.

My G20:


NOW, If you are looking to go more old school and want a 1911 in 10mm take a look at Rock Island Armory (not to be confused with Rock River Arms). They are based out of the Philippines and make feature packed, affordable 1911s. That other 10mm I almost bought was a Rock Island 1911. I haven't shot nor handled one so I can't speak to their quality. Reviews I have found say that they are good pistols. The only complaints I've read are the finishes sometimes are not great and/or tool marks are visible and that they definitely need time to break in. I have not seen any complaints on accuracy nor reliability once the pistol (and mags) have broken in. They have 7 models in 10mm which range from traditional style single stacks to modern style double stacks and long slide tactical/target models.

Their base model 10mm is the ROCK Ultra FS - 10mm with an MSRP of $745 but street price is looking to be around $550. IMO, considering most 10mm 1911s are well over $1k it might be worth giving RIA a chance.

Link and pic of the Rock Ultra FS:

I personally like the G48 over the G43x (:twocents:) but that 15 round mag for them is definitely going to give the Sig P365 and P365 XL a run for their money. Especially considering the P365 and P365 XL don't have a solid reputation of being reliable like the G48 and G43x. I'm betting those mags are going to fly of the shelves once they come out.

Thank you for all the valuable info and your personal experience. It does help.

I thought about the G40 but yes, reloads concern me. I do purchase powerful reloaded ammo .

I did take a look see at the RIA. IRIA was .y first 1911. Great guns. But I was looking at kind of a beautiful gun. Like a Kimber, Dan Wesson or possibly even colt. Something n that family.

If you want something beautiful its going to be $$$$. No way around it unless you find a good deal on an used one.

BTW did you know that Ruger makes Blackhawks in 10mm/40S&W? :rolleyes:


The reloading thing I was talking about is if you what to roll your own from your spent casings. It's hard getting the Glock smile out of casings and I would trust the cases for only one reload. I'm comfortable with running purchased reloads but it really depend on who makes them and what they are making them from. When it comes to hot factory ammo I have no concerns running it in a Glock unless it is one of Glock's 40S&W models. I have shot plenty of hot 10mm through my G20 with no issues including ammo from Buffalo Bore's Heavy 10mm line.

Back to 40S&W Glocks; From what I've seen 40S&W Glocks tend to go kaboom more than any other Glock chambering in factory form. When I see or hear of a 9mm Glock going kaboom it usually is heavily modified. I have yet to see or hear of a 45ACP or 10mm Glock having a catastrophic failure. IMO a big factor with the 40S&W Glocks going kaboom is due to they are 9mms modded to run 40S&W rather than being designed from scratch to run 40S&W. Just my :twocents:

Redding dies make a pass through die for removing the smile out of the cases. They only make it for the 40SW/10mm. Nothing for the 9mm. I got one for Christmas.

https://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...950-63838.aspx

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Out of Stock..... boo....

My link shows the die in stock.

Did you check with Midway?

Not yet. I sent the link to my gmail, so I'll look when I get home. I'm going to Boston next Monday.... :eek:

Seems the folks there keep breaking their machine. :shakes head:


Note to self: be sure to wear Chiefs jersey........ :happydance:

I see a guy that does amazing with my rifle reloads. I'd see him for my 10mm. I might consider the G40. Thanks. I'm thinking either a raptor 2 or a colt delta elite as well.

:tiphat:

Pic's of the die set up from Redding to get rid of the bulge.

Pic 1. The die on the press.
Pic 2. Lube the casing
Pic 3. Put the casing on the ram
Pic 4. Pushing the casing up through the die
Pic 5. Collect the casing in the plastic bottle.

Got my new American Precision Arms GenIII muzzle brake installed on my AR15. The gunsmith had to machine the end of my barrel. As it wasn't not threaded. Plus he cut a new crown on it. Have to wait until the weather breaks to try it out.

Anyone going to Lobby Day in Richmond, keep your head on a swivel and don't go inside the cage. I gotta bad feeling about this.....:eek:

I’m there. Very peaceful at the moment. Grabbing a bite at the moment. No sight of Antifa. Proud Boys and a few Militia are around. Alex Jones was riding around in a armored car yelling stuff. Post pics later.

Here's hoping it stays peaceful. Would like to see some pics but please do not put yourself in harm's way.

Quick question: if the 2nd Amendment gives the right to bear arms to the people and the 10th Amendment says the States can control everything BUT the rights given in the first 9 Amendments, how can any State have any say over gun possession? Seems to me that any State law/regulation is unconstitutional. Am I missing something?

You are not wrong. However, laws do not stop the government from infringing on constitutional rights; only The People can do that.

My understanding is that even though the 10th protects the rights of the state, the 2nd grants inherent rights to the individual... so yes, state regulations on the 2nd is unconstitutional

When I left the rally around 12, I hadn’t seen or heard of any issues. I didn’t see any Antifa nor anti-gun protesters. Every one was peaceful and chill including the police. The MSM/Fake News is already trying to spin stories that things were tense and every one there were radical white suprematists. Total untrue BS. I’ll post some pics later when I get home if you guys want.

Thanks for the responses.

I'm rather proud of my Googlefoo but can't seem to find any info on court cases that have established precedence in the matter. Since States are still passing gun laws, I'm assuming there's a judicial opinion somewhere saying it's not unconstitutional. Or have State gun laws, in general, never been contested? Can anybody provide some links. Hints on what to search for would help.

District of Columbia vs Heller established that the 2nd is an individual right

Fox News said that everything was very peaceful. There was no problems what so ever. :tup: Va needs to do a recall on their governor.

I think part of the reason there aren't many lawsuits challenging the states' gun laws is that it is expensive for lawyers and many lawsuits get tossed over 'standing'.

There has been a shift nationwide towards changing state gun laws, there are now more 'shall issue CCW permits', than 'may issue', states. There have been several states, Kansas & Missouri included, that have gone to 'Constitutional Carry'.

Until the Supremes come out and say 'the Second allows unrestricted ownership of firearms', there is always going to be states like Virginia, Washington, California, New Jersey, New York and Illinois (not all inclusive) that will try to insist that private citizens have no right to self defense, using the justification 'if it saves one life, it's worth it'. I forget who said it, but 'an unarmed citizen isn't a citizen, he's a slave'.

Sic Semper Tyrannis...

Thanks! :tiphat:

Looking at the link provided by bunk and looking at commentary on US v. Miller, I'd say you summed it up very well.

Arkansas is on the list. I don't feel the need to carry but it's nice knowing that I can. I don't think a State CC law has any validity but what the heck.

If I read the District of Columbia v. Heller page correctly, SCOTUS says it's an individual right, not a collective right.

The way states are passing gun laws but sneakily staying within constitutional rights is by using the death by a thousand cuts method. Ban "high cap" mags.. ban mag release buttons... ban folding stocks.. ban flash suppresors... its gets to a point where they're banning everything that makes up the evil black rifle and forces law abiding gun owners to own a travesty of what an AR once was.... law makers argue that these laws makes everyone safer and "see? We didnt ban the AR!"..Thy just neutered them

Yep.. "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms..shall not be infringed"

It was. Unfortunately VA does not have any recall laws. :shakes head:

Simply too much money and not enough people can or doesnt donate to the cause.
And corruption within the courts and politicians

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A few pics. BTW the Anti-Gun Rally that was supposed to go down later in the day was canceled due to "safety concerns". Estimates have 22,000 people showed up for the Pro Gun rally.

I didn't take these pics but I thought they were good. Many people opened carried and I bet even more concealed carried. Saw a wide range of guns, from 22 pistols all the way up to a Barrett M82A1. :bowrofl:

Good. More than a few hundred showed up. Wow 22k is a very good start

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Now they need to take the traitor out of office

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The liberal MSM is saying 22k. More conservative news sources are saying closer to 50k. TBH it’s hard to say who is right.

The news said only one person was arrested. Didn't hear for what for.

I read somewhere that it was felony wearing of a mask or some such.

She was warned twice to stop wearing her mask/bandanna before they arrested her. It’s not lawful to wear a mask for the purposes of hiding your identity in VA. The rumors are she has links to the governor and was trying to start trouble.

Comes to no surprise that in the aftermath of the rally there was no destruction of property, no vandalism, nor any trash left on the streets. People even scrapped fallen stickers off the ground. A great contrast to many left wing rallies and protests. (FYI I didn't take these pics)