The unloaded thing in IL is kinda bunk. They make these little fanny pac looking things that hold a clip and a gun that you can load the clip easily to get around the law but i think those are just kinda dumb.

I support a right to carry but if the argument is deterrence then why conceal the gun. Why not carry it in a western style holster or tactical leg holster to let the criminals know you have a gun. If you conceal it they dont know who has one or not but If they know for sure I have a gun and they are unsure about someone else then wouldnt the criminal go after the person who they didnt know for sure if they had a gun or not.

I know carrying like its the wild west has several bad drawbacks so im only half serious the other half I am attempting to be funny but really I would like to see a C&C law in IL or at least where i can keep a loaded weapon in the car

There's a BIG debate about OC vs. CC.

I think the general thought to CC is the criminals never know who has a gun. Some pro-CC people say OC makes you more of a target.

You could also argue that in liberal areas OC could get you into trouble (man with a gun 911 calls, etc). With CC at least you know that you have something if the SHTF and no one else needs to know so all the sheep can stay nice and happy.

I would OC everyday if more people did it and I knew it wouldn't cause a stir.

These are all reasons I am looking for Federal agency jobs. You can OC anyway, anywhere. Except the White House......

Too bad these jobs are very hard to find......

I'm always worried I'm going to accidentally drive into Maryland while carrying.

same problem in IL/MO
in missouri you can have the loaded gun anywhere in the car. cross the river into IL
clip must come out and it must be in a case out of reach of the driver.

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We can't even put the gun, unloaded, in a locked safe in the vehicle if we go into DC/VA. Gotta be careful and plan your day accordingly.

I can't be out in Arlington then decide, "Oh, I need to go to DC or MD for something." You have to go home first, un-arm, then go back out.

I need to be careful about this if I'm out with my gf because she'll whine and say something like, "it's no big deal, no one will know" if she wants to go to MD/DC from where we are out in VA, but it is a huge ******* deal!!!

There should be like a gun-check place. like a coat check.....

wait thats probably a bad idea.:wtf2:

If done right it's probably not a bad idea.

But of course legalizing OC and CC would solve the problem completely.

I'm pretty sure (and according to the MD state police) you can carry it in a locked safe if the ammo is not accessible.



Q. Can I legally transport firearms interstate? (From the MD State Police)
A. Yes, under Title 18, Section 926A, of the United States Code, a person who is not prohibited
from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm
for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to
any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the
firearm is unloaded, neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or
is directly accessible from the passenger compartment. In the case the vehicle does not have a
compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in
a locked compartment other than the glove compartment or console.

I don't know, it just seems like more trouble than it's worth. And to me that seems more like if you are just driving through the state, not, say, driving up to Columbia for the Z meet.

They have a similar write up for other transportation through the state. I agree that it's smart to play it safe though.

that defeats the purpose of having the weapon tho.. if the shtf , what are you gonna do, yell at the bad guy, "Hey, excuse me, Mr bad guy, can i get a second, while i load my fire arm..." :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

"Sure! Take your time. I'll go get a cup of coffee at the Starbucks while I wait. Would you care for a frappuccino?" :icon18:

as the criminal is running down the street to starbucks, "Don't forget the extra whip creeeeeaaaam!!!!!"

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At least you can have it in your car, rather than driving home though.

ok, so check this out.. ND is open carry, EXCEPT in the city I live in.. :facepalm:

That's silly. Virginia Code says that no city can pass ordinance that would overrule state law regarding carry.

Anyways, I stopped by the gun store today and among other things picked up a Pearce +2 mag extension to try. It's nice in that I can get a full grip on the gun with the extension, but it's really only a +1. No way to get 2 in there.

I love that about VA. Don't have to check the rules of every place you go.

As much as everybody gets on VA about silly laws, we are pretty 2A friendly. I'm a big McDonnell fan. :tup:

+1. I loved the change to allow restaurant carry!

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Man, I really can't wait until I get my MTAC holster next week. I stopped by the gun store and picked up a 5-stitch nylon instructor belt, which made a big difference with the way my gun carries, but I know the MTAC is going to be a MUCH better system than what I've got right now (Galco Triton kydex clip-on). Only a few more days... w00t!

Weather here is getting just a little bit better for some outdoor shooting. Can't wait!

we have a really excellent sporting clays course near me in Sparta IL. I have been wanting to go for awhile. Gotta make time one of these days...

how big are your hands? :excited:

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I don't really have big hands. I wear a medium glove, so I can handle the subcompacts pretty easily even though my pinky finger doesn't grip. The magazine extension is nice though for situations where you're not worried about concealment as much. IMO whenever you can fit a few more rounds in the mag that's a good thing!

Next week I should get my stuff from Comp-Tac so I'll be able to carry a spare mag if the S ever really does HTF. Let's hope not!

Shooting clays is good fun. An old high school friend of mine had a pretty large farm and they had a nice sporting clay setup that we'd shoot a lot. Good times!

President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms




It's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain.

But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.

He used it to murder six people and wound 13 others. And if not for the heroism of bystanders and a brilliant surgical team, it would have been far worse.

But since that day, we have lost perhaps another 2,000 members of our American family to gun violence. Thousands more have been wounded. We lose the same number of young people to guns every day and a half as we did at Columbine, and every four days as we did at Virginia Tech.

Every single day, America is robbed of more futures. It has awful consequences for our society. And as a society, we have a responsibility to do everything we can to put a stop to it.

Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.

I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country.

However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place.

I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment.

That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

• First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.

• Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.

• Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.

Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else.

Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence. But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people.

I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby. Others will predictably cast any discussion as the opening salvo in a wild-eyed scheme to take away everybody's guns. And such hyperbole will become the fodder for overheated fundraising letters.

But I have more faith in the American people than that. Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation." And none of us should be willing to remain passive in the face of violence or resigned to watching helplessly as another rampage unfolds on television.

As long as those whose lives are shattered by gun violence don't get to look away and move on, neither can we.

We owe the victims of the tragedy in Tucson and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best efforts - to seek consensus, to prevent future bloodshed, to forge a nation worthy of our children's futures.

President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
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^+1 for the article good sir

Here's my G26 with the Pearce Grip "+2" extension:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_q...PearceGrip.jpg

It says its +2 but seems impossible to add 2, only 1. So 11 round capacity with a pinky extension... not bad. Doesn't really seem to impact concealability all that much.

Good call. The extender makes them a lot more shootable.

I didn't really have too much of an issue with shooting with a two-finger grip, but this definitely does help with the draw from concealment. I saw them at the gun store yesterday so I figured I'd pick one up and see how it worked out. Not bad for $8.95. I might pick up some more next time I go.

I also need to buy some more mags. I think I am gonna pick up some Glock 19 mags. I can carry a standard 10 round G26 (or 11 with the extension) in the gun and a 15 round G19 mag as a spare.

Oh they also had those Glock 33 round magazines at the store. I know VA has a legal limit on magazine capacity in a carry gun of 20 rounds, but I don't know if that applies to in the home or at the range as well.

§ 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.

It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

The exemptions set forth in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.

(1991, c. 570; 1992, c. 790; 2003, c. 976; 2004, c. 995; 2005, c. 160; 2007, c. 813.)

You have a CHP right? You're able to carry it with the 33 round mag.

Oh, that's good to know! I missed the bit about the CHP exemption. Not that I am going to carry any mags with 20+ rounds or anything.

Lot to read, enjoy!:tiphat:
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/VASL.pdf

Legal Community Against Violence


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...ates_(by_state)

I was at the store today and couldn't resist picking up these two extended clips (since they will probably be outlawed soon).

http://www.the370z.com/members/frost...10319-1557.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/frost...10319-1558.jpg

All because they act as legs that walk your gun outside when you're not looking and commit mass murder. :rolleyes:

I just hate reloading. But I haven't ruled out mass murder yet.

Reloading is annoying, even with the speed loader, but I figure unless it's just a range gun it's best for me to practice with the magazines I would actually be carrying.

I agree...