Anyone here into firearms?

OMGiGOTaZ · 12-20-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I'm all for gun control when it means... Use both hands.

May i add. We sell $4 billion in guns annually which the news says that though it helps our economy, its no ipod/iphone in terms of stimulation, which produces 10x more money. But they didn't add in the constant purchases of ammo, events, and associated equip we buy along with those guns. Because people buy guns, they also buy more survival gear, clothing and accessories. The purchase of a gun stimulates the idea to embrace survivalism which increases sporting goods sales dramatically. If you add up that business with the gun business, i'm sure it equals the iphone market. They downplay this gun control issue a lot. The economy is going to feel it when 60% of all guns on the market becomes illegal. The trickle down will be a loss of interest in survivalism, which will probably lose $30,000,000,000+ from the american economy annually. Also, sporting goods stores wont need as many salesman. You'd see a third of sporting good sales jobs lost. Iphone better double sales so those sporting good salesguys can sell phones now.

Nice work Fascist America. You're about to further destroy, whats left the american economy.

You make a great point! Let's look at Store's Like Gander Mountain, Cabelas, Bass Pro Shops, and all the Mom and Pop Shops in between. Your going to need to create A LOT more jobs now becuase many of these will all be gone!

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGiGOTaZ

You make a great point! Let's look at Store's Like Gander Mountain, Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and all the Mom and Pop Shops in between. Your going to need to create A LOT more jobs now because many of these will all be gone!

yup... and sales is just one aspect. Much fewer trucks will be needed to ship so many guns, postal service will lose a percentage of shipping, FFL holders will lose there share in transfer fee money, mom and pop gun shops will close due to a lack of demand. Lets face it. AR/AK rifles are the cornerstone of the american gun market. Without these, things will change. The only increase in gun sales we'll see is in 1911 pistols and revolvers due to them being of legal capacity. It will also reduce firearms research. Most of the advancements in military rifles have come from ideas that sportsmen on the hunt or in 3G comps have invented in this past decades. It's us civilian sportsmen that make better military rifles. Not military research guys. Military guys make bombs. It makes no sense...
Newer guns are modular and we can personalize them. I'm sure that market will dissipate as well.

ImportConvert · 12-25-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

My guesses are proposed legislation will attempt to:

Require background checks on ALL purchases (i.e. ban private party sales)
Ban "Assault Rifles," potentially with no grandfathering.
Limit magazine capacity for all semi-auto firearms to 10 rounds with no grandfathering of existing "hi cap" mags
Heavily restrict transport outside the home... no concealed carry?

The last one... maybe not. But I think the AR ban, closing the "gun show loophole," and limiting magazine capacity.

Of course they'll completely overlook the real problem, which is mental health.

I don't necessarily have a problem with requiring an FFL to broker private party sales as long as there is a reasonable maximum brokerage fee that they can charge. This would prevent law abiding gun owners from unknowingly selling to criminals.

I think mental health records should be better integrated in the background check process. It could help prevent future VT and Aurora type events where the shooter had a clear mental health issue that should have made them ineligible for firearm ownership.

My FFL charges $10 per transfer. I'm down with that. The problem is that this is the government trying to regulate non-livelihood private commerce, and that is unacceptable to me.

DEpointfive0 · 12-31-2012, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

My guesses are proposed legislation will attempt to:

Require background checks on ALL purchases (i.e. ban private party sales)
Ban "Assault Rifles," potentially with no grandfathering.
Limit magazine capacity for all semi-auto firearms to 10 rounds with no grandfathering of existing "hi cap" mags
Heavily restrict transport outside the home... no concealed carry?

The last one... maybe not. But I think the AR ban, closing the "gun show loophole," and limiting magazine capacity.

Of course they'll completely overlook the real problem, which is mental health.

I don't necessarily have a problem with requiring an FFL to broker private party sales as long as there is a reasonable maximum brokerage fee that they can charge. This would prevent law abiding gun owners from unknowingly selling to criminals.

I think mental health records should be better integrated in the background check process. It could help prevent future VT and Aurora type events where the shooter had a clear mental health issue that should have made them ineligible for firearm ownership.

I think they will make every sale required to go through an FFL and maybe ban hi cap mags.
It's not a solution... Whatever...

I'd be ok with a few things happening...
I get my gun license from a phychologist, has to be renewed every year, costs $200... (I will get flamed for that, but lets be real, if you like guns, it ain't gonna stop you, and MAYBE, just MAYBE it will prevent an innocent life from getting lost)
Then if your weapon is used by another in your family, which you should have known has mental issues but you didn't take the proper precautions to hide or disable use of them from that person, you get charged with every crime they committed... That will hopefully scare people who are lazy straight as to how to keep guns in the home?

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

We might get some really wacky ideas too... like banning the .223/5.56 round. Apparently this idea has been thrown around by the Violence Policy Center. Show's how much they know about firearms. I'm quite sure my 7mm Mauser is more powerful. :|

So is my 7mm mag... And my other 7mm mag... And my other 7mm mag... And my .30-06, and my other .30-06, and my other .30-06, and my shotgun, and my other shotgun... And the other one, and the other one, and actually the other one, LOL!!!
The problem is that people see ONE issue

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Also, we'll most certainly get some sort of ammo restrictions...

Online sales ban?

Sales only through FFL with background check?

Purchases over a certain number of rounds reported to government?

I could see online sales ban, maybe over a certain number reported... All I know is that I used to go to Walmart at 2AM and buy... $500 of ammo, sometimes more (insomnia) and now they stop me at 10PM, and they tried implementing the keeping track of bullets sold thing here in CA and it lasted... A day, 10 minutes?

This is a gun toting country, we love our guns, and you need bullets to use them. I am very fortunate to have a reloader just in case the ish hits the fan, but I can't see them really keeping track or caring after a while

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Originally Posted by Robert_K

They'll never be able to get ALL of America to turn in the weapons. Won't happen.

The South will secede first, LOL

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

My FFL charges $10 per transfer. I'm down with that. The problem is that this is the government trying to regulate non-livelihood private commerce, and that is unacceptable to me.

$10 is A-OK by me, $25 is ok, $50, almost...
The issue is for some of us in other states like CA that get SHAFTED... Private party, $50, buy a gun from out of state... $150+

Dear AK, I hope this wasn't political... I didn't intend it to be...
If it was, please PM me on how to edit it, or please edit it and PM me as to how I can avoid being political

As gun people we are all being handed the crappy end of the stick soon, and we all like to speculate, lol

Robert_K · 12-31-2012, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

i figure something will get passed.
If they pass the high cap mag well it doesn't matter to us cali folks cause we r used to it.

And I'm sure Cali crime has gone down so much thanks to it!

DEpointfive0 · 12-31-2012, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

i figure something will get passed.
If they pass the high cap mag well it doesn't matter to us cali folks cause we r used to it.

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Originally Posted by Robert_K

And I'm sure Cali crime has gone down so much thanks to it!

LMAO!!!

So true!

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 07:35 AM

We might get some really wacky ideas too... like banning the .223/5.56 round. Apparently this idea has been thrown around by the Violence Policy Center. Show's how much they know about firearms. I'm quite sure my 7mm Mauser is more powerful. :|

Robert_K · 12-20-2012, 07:53 AM

They'll never be able to get ALL of America to turn in the weapons. Won't happen.

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 08:00 AM

Since when did gov't care what the root cause is? They don't want armed resistance citizens.

Lots of people say they'll never give their guns up... but I bet the percentage of owners that would "put up a fight" is so minuscule it's a non issue.

Rooster89 · 12-20-2012, 08:03 AM

But what will pass?

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 08:05 AM

I don't think anything will pass at this time.

Z-Fighter · 12-20-2012, 10:40 AM

There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age.

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Fighter

There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age.

These are people that think an AR type weapon is more deadly against UNARMED targets than any other type of weapon. A Ruger 10/22 could be just as deadly against a group of elementary school kids for crying out loud.

Regardless, people that want the AWB generally think ALL guns are evil, not just AR types. They view an AWB as a start to a total ban... which it is, when you think about it.

OMGiGOTaZ · 12-20-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

These are people that think an AR type weapon is more deadly against UNARMED targets than any other type of weapon. A Ruger 10/22 could be just as deadly against a group of elementary school kids for crying out loud.

Regardless, people that want the AWB generally think ALL guns are evil, not just AR types. They view an AWB as a start to a total ban... which it is, when you think about it.

Agreed! To think someone can't attach a 100rd drum to a glock and be just effective is silly. The AWB could essentially make anything like this an Assault weapon leaving the door open to take away all guns.

Guns for the most of us are a defensive weapon or a tool to fill your table or freezer with food or maybe simply a hobby. Anyone who has taken a gun class hopefully was taught where you can't have a gun. Places that restrict our ability to use our defensive weapons is exactly where these people like to strike.

OMGiGOTaZ · 12-20-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Fighter

There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age.

A good majority also come home from the service to carry on regular jobs but still enjoy owning a Military style Rifle to take to the range along with their pistol or bolt action rifle.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Since when did gov't care what the root cause is? They don't want armed resistance citizens. Lots of people say they'll never give their guns up... but I bet the percentage of owners that would "put up a fight" is so minuscule it's a non issue. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I don't think anything will pass at this time. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Z-Fighter Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In front of you Posts: 19 Drives: 2010 NISMO Rep Power: 13	There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age. Robert_K and OMGiGOTaZ like this.