Living in California just sucked even more now...

ozzfest · 03-13-2009, 03:59 PM

^^^ Great point.

frost · 03-13-2009, 04:02 PM

^

frost · 03-13-2009, 08:35 PM

From the website http://www.articler.com/10519/Illega...And-Cons.html:

1. It helps keep the economy moving by filling low-wage jobs.
2. It provides a better lifestyle for those who enter the country illegally.
3. It creates a pool of consumers for a variety of goods and services.
4. Farmers are able to plant and harvest less expensively.
5. Contributions to social security funds often go unclaimed.
6. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes.
7. Illegal residents, who are property owners, also pay real estate taxes.
8. Millions of illegals rent properties in depressed areas where renters are hard to find.
9. They purchase real estate and generate commissions for agents and brokers.
10. Illegal immigrants contribute to mortgage loan profits.
11. They open bank accounts that yield interest and dividends to bankers.
12. Many purchase auto insurance and contribute to insurers profits margins.

Cons Of Illegal Immigration:

1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.
2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.
3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.
4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.
5. Those who successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.
6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.
7. No government reimbursement to offset states' illegal alien maintenance costs.
8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.
9. Millions of U.S. dollars remitted to Mexico
10. Mortgage loan fraud
11. Fake document mills
12. Imbalance in authorized immigration quotas

Thoughts?

AB370Z · 03-13-2009, 08:48 PM

^ you must have a big personal opinion on the topic as well as you live in Phoenix where there is a huge hispanic population.

I lived and worked in Scottsdale/Phoenix about 4 years ago. The Canadian company I worked for at the time owned a construction company down there. I gotta say that almost the only ppl in Scottsdale I ever saw doing manual labor (landscapring etc) were Mexican. Every morning on the 101 loop, I saw truckloads of mexican workers in backs of trucks heading off to work.

The Mexicans I got to meet and work with (mostly at our shop) were all hardworking and honest people. In Canada, the hispanic population is a very small minority but we don't border Mexico either.

Isn't the amount of social security benefits and payroll taxes (unrefunded since tax returns are not filed in a lot of cases) a pretty big number? I heard a stat once re those with fake SSNs.

frost · 03-13-2009, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AB370Z

^ you must have a big personal opinion on the topic as well as you live in Phoenix where there is a huge hispanic population.

I do, but I'm no expert, and no one should listen to me. There are real pros and cons. Illegal immigration does have many positive points. However, IMHO the bad things outweigh the good.

AB370Z · 03-13-2009, 09:00 PM

^ maybe a real dumb question, but where was a wall being constructed that I heard about in the news a few years back. Would that be the California border?

I drove to Puerto Penasco (Rocky Pt.) Mexico a few times and never saw anything. Ever go there for fun?

dad · 03-13-2009, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

From the website http://www.articler.com/10519/Illega...And-Cons.html:

1. It helps keep the economy moving by filling low-wage jobs.
2. It provides a better lifestyle for those who enter the country illegally.
3. It creates a pool of consumers for a variety of goods and services.
4. Farmers are able to plant and harvest less expensively.
5. Contributions to social security funds often go unclaimed.
6. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes.
7. Illegal residents, who are property owners, also pay real estate taxes.
8. Millions of illegals rent properties in depressed areas where renters are hard to find.
9. They purchase real estate and generate commissions for agents and brokers.
10. Illegal immigrants contribute to mortgage loan profits.
11. They open bank accounts that yield interest and dividends to bankers.
12. Many purchase auto insurance and contribute to insurers profits margins.

Cons Of Illegal Immigration:

1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.
2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.
3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.
4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.
5. Those who successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.
6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.
7. No government reimbursement to offset states' illegal alien maintenance costs.
8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.
9. Millions of U.S. dollars remitted to Mexico
10. Mortgage loan fraud
11. Fake document mills
12. Imbalance in authorized immigration quotas

Thoughts?

You left out the gangs they(their kids)create and join.

RandyD · 11-21-2011, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

From the website http://www.articler.com/10519/Illega...And-Cons.html:

1. It helps keep the economy moving by filling low-wage jobs.
2. It provides a better lifestyle for those who enter the country illegally.
3. It creates a pool of consumers for a variety of goods and services.
4. Farmers are able to plant and harvest less expensively.
5. Contributions to social security funds often go unclaimed.
6. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes.
7. Illegal residents, who are property owners, also pay real estate taxes.
8. Millions of illegals rent properties in depressed areas where renters are hard to find.
9. They purchase real estate and generate commissions for agents and brokers.
10. Illegal immigrants contribute to mortgage loan profits.
11. They open bank accounts that yield interest and dividends to bankers.
12. Many purchase auto insurance and contribute to insurers profits margins.

Cons Of Illegal Immigration:

1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.
2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.
3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.
4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.
5. Those who successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.
6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.
7. No government reimbursement to offset states' illegal alien maintenance costs.
8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.
9. Millions of U.S. dollars remitted to Mexico
10. Mortgage loan fraud
11. Fake document mills
12. Imbalance in authorized immigration quotas

Thoughts?

my thoughts: they are ILLEGAL.

go home, then fill out the papers, and become LEGAL. then take the same job, and pay the same TAXES as everyone else before you enjoy the social infrastructure.

theDreamer · 03-13-2009, 09:02 PM

Link
There are a few "walls," but one that got some news last was the Texas one. Texas wanted to expand its wall, to something much more expansive than just the chain-link fences.

frost · 03-13-2009, 09:04 PM

Mostly texas I believe. Around 2k miles if I remember right.

BanningZ · 03-13-2009, 10:49 PM

Walls have never worked. Our country was founded on immigration and much of it was illegal. People who believe everyone legally immigrated through "Ellis island" are living under a rock. We are deeply affected by illegal immigration here in Oregon. i am not saying I am an expert on it but I have definitely experienced it first hand. Our process for legal immigration is absolutely unfair and ridiculously full of bureaucracy.

I'm a pinko liberal, I know, I know.

dad · 03-13-2009, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BanningZ

Walls have never worked. Our country was founded on immigration and much of it was illegal. People who believe everyone legally immigrated through "Ellis island" are living under a rock. We are deeply affected by illegal immigration here in Oregon. i am not saying I am an expert on it but I have definitely experienced it first hand. Our process for legal immigration is absolutely unfair and ridiculously full of bureaucracy.

I'm a pinko liberal, I know, I know.

I'm a liberal. Card caring ACLU member. But I'm against illegal immigration, and that bureaucracy works just fine!

Pushing_Tin · 03-15-2009, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad

I'm a liberal. Card caring ACLU member. But I'm against illegal immigration, and that bureaucracy works just fine!

Well I don't belong to the ACLU, but I generally lean pretty far to the left. That said I am opposed to illegal immigration. I have no problem with immigrants, (my great grand parents came from Russia and Denmark,) but they do need to follow the system even if it's broken, otherwise there's no incentive for the people following the law. Why should I wait 10 years and file endless paperwork when my neighbor just jumps the fence?

We have way way too many problems taking care of our own native citizens, we don't need to add fuel to the fire.

nogoodname · 03-15-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcticreaver

okay, so i'm not sure for those that reside in CA know that our freakin' taxes are just about to increase about 1%-1.25%. but its basically 1% increase in taxes. that's freakin' 9.xx% on everything!!!!!

good lord. CA sucks!!!

arnold, you are screwing with us!!!!!!

try 5% tax plus 7.5 % tax on the 1st tax + the sales amount...then complain...lol

zero · 03-15-2009, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nogoodname007

try 5% tax plus 7.5 % tax on the 1st tax + the sales amount...then complain...lol

But you got free health care. We got shaft in the butt....LOL

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03-13-2009, 03:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
ozzfest Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SOCAL Posts: 53 Drives: 08' G35S 6MT/07' TL Rep Power: 17	^^^ Great point.

03-13-2009, 04:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	^

03-13-2009, 08:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	From the website http://www.articler.com/10519/Illega...And-Cons.html: 1. It helps keep the economy moving by filling low-wage jobs. 2. It provides a better lifestyle for those who enter the country illegally. 3. It creates a pool of consumers for a variety of goods and services. 4. Farmers are able to plant and harvest less expensively. 5. Contributions to social security funds often go unclaimed. 6. Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes. 7. Illegal residents, who are property owners, also pay real estate taxes. 8. Millions of illegals rent properties in depressed areas where renters are hard to find. 9. They purchase real estate and generate commissions for agents and brokers. 10. Illegal immigrants contribute to mortgage loan profits. 11. They open bank accounts that yield interest and dividends to bankers. 12. Many purchase auto insurance and contribute to insurers profits margins. Cons Of Illegal Immigration: 1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars. 2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country. 3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't. 4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders. 5. Those who successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same. 6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages. 7. No government reimbursement to offset states' illegal alien maintenance costs. 8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens. 9. Millions of U.S. dollars remitted to Mexico 10. Mortgage loan fraud 11. Fake document mills 12. Imbalance in authorized immigration quotas Thoughts?

03-13-2009, 08:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
AB370Z Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 563 Drives: 09 370Z Sport Nav M6 Rep Power: 18	^ you must have a big personal opinion on the topic as well as you live in Phoenix where there is a huge hispanic population. I lived and worked in Scottsdale/Phoenix about 4 years ago. The Canadian company I worked for at the time owned a construction company down there. I gotta say that almost the only ppl in Scottsdale I ever saw doing manual labor (landscapring etc) were Mexican. Every morning on the 101 loop, I saw truckloads of mexican workers in backs of trucks heading off to work. The Mexicans I got to meet and work with (mostly at our shop) were all hardworking and honest people. In Canada, the hispanic population is a very small minority but we don't border Mexico either. Isn't the amount of social security benefits and payroll taxes (unrefunded since tax returns are not filed in a lot of cases) a pretty big number? I heard a stat once re those with fake SSNs.

03-13-2009, 09:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
AB370Z Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 563 Drives: 09 370Z Sport Nav M6 Rep Power: 18	^ maybe a real dumb question, but where was a wall being constructed that I heard about in the news a few years back. Would that be the California border? I drove to Puerto Penasco (Rocky Pt.) Mexico a few times and never saw anything. Ever go there for fun?

03-13-2009, 09:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	Mostly texas I believe. Around 2k miles if I remember right.