The New “What did you do with your Z today” (with off topic replies) XXXVII

FL 4Motion

None of that govt overreach money making scam bs down here.

I wonder what’s gonna happen within the next ten or 15 years or so when most vehicles are electric? What excuse will they come up with to make you pay the Man recurringly for the privilege of having spent your money to buy your car?

Of course, you can’t drive ten feet around here without paying a toll road so maybe I just answered my own ?.

Rusty

Well............electric vehicles don't buy gas or diesel. So they don't pay the tax on fuel. So the idea of paying tax on the number of miles driven in the year. So when you do your taxes. You will be paying a road use tax now. Read that the tax could be anywhere from 0.01 to 0.30 a mile driven.

What happens to the car when the battery pack dies and needs replaced. The battery pack is almost half the price of the car.

What will the used car market look like for the electric cars? How will Blue Book rate them?

What happens with the battery packs when they go dead?

Takes electric to charge the batteries. That means more power plants and up graded grid system. You know that's not going to happen. Our grid is shakily to begin with, and our generation is barely making it now.

Driving cross country. How many days will that take now? You have to stop and charge the battery up. That ain't happening in an hour. It's not like filling the tank up and getting back on the road.

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FL 4Motion

Yup, and how will they figure out how many miles you drove so they can tax it, easy, mandatory install of a device to track your miles driven, also allows the govt to spy on you and know your routines etc and you’ll be powerless to stop it.

The libertarian in me is screaming right now just thinking about it. The sad part is, most people either won’t care or will embrace it.

I think technology improvements will mitigate a lot of the range and recharge issues as well as battery pack replacement costs. Therelll definitely be a cottage industry around reman packs just like we have cheap well made reman engines etc now.

Recharge tech is improving too as well as range

My tipping point if you will for converting my jkur to electric (and being okay-ish with electric cars) will be the following: 400 mile street driven range/200 mile off-road range. A recharge time from 10% to 80% of ten minutes or less at a “gas” or should we call it power station. Jerrycans for bolt on range extension off road, 25 miles per “can” and can carry 2. Next gen solar panels on my hard top and hood that can constantly trickle charge the main battery pack. In the event of being empty, a full 24 hrs of sunlights, aka 2 days worth can get you a full recharge in an emergency. This requires that we advance our Solar cell tech to be in the 70-80% efficiency range vs the current 30-40%.

The above would actually make electric jeeping better than current propulsion tech with an ice. It’ll get there eventually, I have faith in our industry and innovation plus there’s a shitton of $$ to be made and that always motivates people.

My biggest issue is less the electric drive but rather the drive by govts and certain groups to tie this electrification to takin away more and more citizens freedom of movement. We keep constantly being told how dangerous driving is and more and more folks don’t value povs anymore. This is the part that bothers me using fear to get folks to vacate their freedoms which so many that came before have sacrificed and died for.

News flash, no one survives life, it will kill all of us at some point guaranteed, so don’t be a super soft (letterkenny reference) sceardycat and live your life as best you can.

FL 4Motion

To expound on the second to last point, car manufacturers are transitioning to a future where very few own thier own car, whenever only a few have or can do anything, that’s code for rich azzholes, not us.

Us plebes will be told that a subscription car service is the answer where you can rent a car which will rotate to a different one as needed or periodically on a set schedule. Btw, Porsche is already doing this in certain markets. We are slowly turning into a rental society, have people forgotten that in a healthy capitalist system it’s ownership which builds wealth, home, property, stocks etc.

In Europe no one can afford to own very much anymore, the governments there tax the shitoutta everything, that’s why so many mansions and beautiful large homes all get converted into apartments. And fewer and fewer folks there own or care to own cars. We are moving down this road, pun intended, ourselves now and I am appalled quite frankly.

BettyZ

More tolls and perhaps some sort of mileage tax, although I don't see how, Constitutionally and politically, a mileage tax could work. Most road construction is funded via gas taxes so...

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Rusty

Can't use fed money to build a state toll road. Fed law. You have to use state money. A few years back. There use a couple of law suits over the matter.

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BettyZ

Is that because your toll roads were toll roads before the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways existed? Like, when covered wagons ran on them?

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Rusty

There was a couple of states that tried to use fed money to build toll roads and got caught. The American Motorcycle Assoc. brought the law suit against the states and won.


Oh........I live not too far away from the first national road. RT40. Locally called Old National Pike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_National_Pike

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eastwest2300

your state is the toll capital of the world duude...

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Rusty

You haven't really traveled to other states. Some states charge you for going over a bridge.

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FL 4Motion

I remember living in northern NJ back in the day, so many toll roads, had a ziplock bag full of change in the truck, that little bag was like a tiny money pit.

At least our roads down here are pretty decent and well maintained, up north, I have no idea where the toll road $$ goes, but it’s definitely not back into road maintenance and repair.

eastwest2300

aint that the truth..

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