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JLarson

We also have to consider that one of the main reasons the Nationalists were overthrown in China was because they were considered incredibly corrupt. To Rusty's point, maybe it's getting to where some of them would consider revolution - they can see the freedoms in democratic countries, and the younger people do seem to want them. But you'd need a combination of a charismatic leader or leaders, a failure to react swiftly on the part of the Chinese government, and a willingness to alter 70 years of habit on the part of the older generations.

Don't get me wrong, they may try to make the change, but even in our country we're not eager to make simple changes that might help a large number of people (for example, limiting the influence of lobbyists).

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Ghostvette

Followed closely behind limiting lobbyists, should be term limits. 6 years total for both House & Senate, no exceptions.

Personally, i'm in favor of taking ALL them worthless pukes out behind the barn and letting a squad of Marine drill instructors PT their asses until they die....








Sorry, that's a topic for another thread....

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cossie1600

It's not going to turn into our system overnight, there will likely be another dictator, but hopefully we have one that is less evil than the current regime that is trying to take over the world and impose world order, genocide and other evil things. One thing you can't take away from the Chinese people is food, there will be riots if there is a food shortage.

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Yup, spot on. Part of their strategy is always blame the strawman, we are it right now. Why do you think they are pushing the agenda that we implanted the virus in Wuhan?

Sorry you are totally falling into their trap. You can think of their troops like their cheap manufacturing goods. They might have a lot of quantity, but not a lot of quality. Don't be a cuckold like the Canadian doctor on the WHO. The US marched into the South China Sea, fired a couple missiles, didn't get a response. They literally had to post it on Twitter to let everyone know.

Also the Chinese army is not the same as the ones from the past, their actual battle readiness is really not that high. You know what they are known for, karaoke.....

Lastly, if you think the Chinese army is strong. They would have invaded Taiwan years ago, they have been talking about it for 20 years. What have they done? Nothing. They did try to infiltrate their government by inserting these pro CCP politicians, lucky the HK people exposed them and they completely got destroyed. To make matters worse, the whole virus exposed them again.

As much as I hate Trump and the republican parties, they did completely expose the Chinese government. We would never get that with Biden, they will continue to kiss up to them in order to make money and be happy. I really hope more countries will wake up after this. I think Boris is learning his lesson, Italy too. Let's see if the Canadians and Australians will grow some back bones or will they continue to lick the Chinese money, of course that money is drying up soon.


200 years ago the west took over China with Opium, now China is returning the favor with cheap goods and their consumer buying power. History repeats itself, that's why I force my son to watch history documentaries because it keeps happening.

ZCanadian

Just for the record, we've been paying the price for over a year since Canadian police arrested the CFO of Huawei (and daughter of its founder) on America's extradition request (which you haven't followed up on, and a certain orange leader has turned from a legal matter into a political prize). Meanwhile, our farmers, forestry and manufacturing sectors have taken a hit in retaliation, and several Canadians have been arrested in China for dubious reasons immediately thereafter.

Would prefer if America grew a spine, rather than lecturing the rest of the world on how to conduct its affairs.

cossie1600

That's right, the economy is more important. I hope you enjoy the massive rise in the cost of housing and healthcare for the local Canadians.

I guess we will see more Chinese flags rolling down the streets of Canada.

Rusty

No. If your gov't had a set of balls and did the right thing. We would have had her. Your spineless leader doesn't have the balls to do anything. He bowes to anyone.

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cossie1600

Our farmers were hurt initially by the trade war too, now they are going to make out like a bandit. The papers in Asia were roasting the Xi JP the deal he signed. Australia and Canada don't have the balls to stand up and challenge them. Even at this point, the universities in Australia are bending over backward for them. It's quite sad given how nice Australia is.

ZCanadian

Dude, she's been sitting in house arrest in Vancouver for the last year waiting for your justice department to initiate extradition proceedings. It finally started in late January but is still not dealt with.

Meanwhile, several Canadians are on death row in China (in retaliation), and our exports to them have all but dried up. Our dollar is in the crapper in part due to this.

It would have been hugely in Canada's economic interest to simply let her go and get trade moving again, but no, we held her because our "friend" to the south asked us to. We stuck by the fact that we are a nation of laws and this was a legal, not political issue. Then Orange 47 started spouting off about the possibility of using her as a political pawn in his self-inflicted trade war, making us look like the US's henchman. Yet we still held her, mainly because completing the extradition would be a problem for the US economically.

You are welcome!

EDIT: And by the way, our leader doesn't as much "bow" to everyone, as he apologizes to everyone. No idea WTF is with that. I dunno, I didn't vote for him. But back on topic, I have to admit that he's been very good in the last weeks of this crisis. It has to be testing for anyone at the top.

Spooler

FYI, Huawei does everything in their power to steal corporate secrets. Where I work, we threw them out. They were caught red handed.

cossie1600

They steal stuff and make it their own? Really?

ZCanadian

I'm not supporting them, or wanting to let the lady go.
I'd just wish that the extradition would get over with. And pointing out that we have taken a stand to side with law and order and our friends to the south (despite assertions from time to time that we don't).

To me, the actions taken by the Xi regime in support of the company prove the very connection that the company's founder so vehemently denies.

I only hope that our nation has the sense to block them out of the 5G build here, although several of our carriers here have signed expressions of interest to proceed with Huawei. We have a more unique situation than you down there - a larger land mass to cover (and 5G infrastructure is expensive from what I understand - much more cells than 4G / LTE), but 1/10 the population to pay for it. I think that China sees this as their way to buy off our nation in a manner not that dissimilar to their approach in sub-Saharan Africa.

Spooler

It would be wise. They are up to no good, that is for sure.

cossie1600

I get it is very expensive, but it is a very dangerous game to let them into your country and let them turn you guys into their muppet. Europe, Canada and Australia don't have the economy to fight them off as easily as the US, but they really should try for their own good. The HK protests and the Wuhan virus are completely exposed the CCP, hopefully when all is set and done people will be done with them. Boris Johnson is regretting his decision with Huawei now, the idiot thought China was being honest about their number. He is looking like a complete moron, like usual.

I should add the past year China also got exposed pretty badly on their economy. Everyone is afraid to mess with them, but they are really not as big or as strong as you think. If anything, now it is the time to put pressure and fight back. The sad part is that a lot of politicians either have financial interest or they are so worried about the next election that they would rather sell their soul to China in order to be happy for the next 5 years.

I almost forgot about their mortgage crisis and their famous empty highrises. They are so desperate now that they are selling houses online and have suspended auditing for publicly traded stocks.....

bunk

Do you remember what happened during the Korean war? The US chased the NK Army up to the Chinese border, thinking that the Chinese wouldnt react. Well, they did. Then the US Commanders dismissed the Chinese as simple farmers with rag tag equipment. Well, they sure did give the US Military a run for their money. Yes it was primarily due to their overwhelming numbers, but today, the PLA is fast modernizing their forces. And you cannot discount their indoctrinated mentality (See Japan, Germany in WW2, even your modern Islamic Terrorists)

The reason China isnt going all out invading countries is not because they dont have the strength, but for geo political consequences. Same reason why we dont just take the Spratly Islands from them

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If you need 5x or 10x the casualty to match an opponent, is that really a win? To the CCP, human lives are worthless. They had no problem sacrificing them in war and/or anything to further expand their agenda (Cultural Revolution, the Great Famine). Things have changed since war times, most families have 1 or 2 child, not 5-10. You think the parents will just let their only kid sacrifice themselves? The Chinese culture is not the same as American culture.

The CCP is a classic bully, they will attack people who are weaker than they are. As soon as they see someone more powerful, they back off. As I said, don't let what you see on the surface fool you. They have a lot of things going on underneath and you have to understand their culture to see how they behave.

China's investment into WHO is working out great, look at Tedros and the Canadian cuckold making all the excuses for them. You are right that they are using the debt strategy to trap Africa and they are definitely succeeding. This is why I compare their money to Opium. You take it at your own risk. Luckily I think some of the "investments" are blowing up in their face, aka Venezuela. If you are going to talk about debt, you can't forget about their own debt....