CoronaVirus

cossie1600 · 04-20-2020, 09:47 AM

Exactly, some folks talk like the government is trying to wreck the economy on purpose. They did it because they have no choice. If anything, they had to overreact after not doing anything for a month as they couldn’t spoof the market.

JLarson · 04-20-2020, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Exactly, some folks talk like the government is trying to wreck the economy on purpose. They did it because they have no choice. If anything, they had to overreact after not doing anything for a month as they couldn’t spoof the market.

Given the impact of economic realities on the political process, it does seem very unlikely to me that any governor went into this willingly sabotaging their state. They are aware that their chances of reelection hinge upon their perceived competence in the midst of this crisis. Perceived competence, in turn, is often linked to the financial prosperity of the constituency.

JARblue · 04-20-2020, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson

Given the impact of economic realities on the political process, it does seem very unlikely to me that any governor went into this willingly sabotaging their state. They are aware that their chances of reelection hinge upon their perceived competence in the midst of this crisis. Perceived competence, in turn, is often always linked to the financial prosperity of the constituency.

FTFY

bunk · 04-20-2020, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson

Given the impact of economic realities on the political process, it does seem very unlikely to me that any governor went into this willingly sabotaging their state. They are aware that their chances of reelection hinge upon their perceived competence in the midst of this crisis. Perceived competence, in turn, is often linked to the financial prosperity of the constituency.

But if you look at it on a national level and in our current political environment, it CAN very well be said that the hype of the corona virus is being amplified to put fear in people. Close the economy = ruin the economy (which it already is for generations to come). So close to a presidential election.

Like you said "their chances of reelection hinge upon their perceived competence in the midst of this crisis". Nothing but negative reports on the Administration from MSM. Its political.

geeteezee · 04-20-2020, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

Not having the proper PPE is one thing, though I'm not sure why a hospital wouldn't have this, but to lay off bc of a union? Trained and educated medical staff to save lives, but get laid off for BS situations lmao

I'll admit there's some conjecture here but I'll try to explain.
Two scenarios.
In the first, you're an RN and part of a union.
In the second, same but no union.
There's insufficient PPE resulting in a work refusal.
Which nurse will either be fired or have to quit?
Which will be laid off?
Also, many hospitals are lacking necessary PPE.

JLarson · 04-20-2020, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bunk

But if you look at it on a national level and in our current political environment, it CAN very well be said that the hype of the corona virus is being amplified to put fear in people. Close the economy = ruin the economy (which it already is for generations to come). So close to a presidential election.

Like you said "their chances of reelection hinge upon their perceived competence in the midst of this crisis". Nothing but negative reports on the Administration from MSM. Its political.

You're debating an issue I didn't raise, deliberately. I'd rather keep the peace here, and tackle politics only as a concept, as opposed to attacking an individual party. I assure you that if I felt there would be any benefit in discussion, I'd participate quite ably - and I do not favor either the current administration, nor the one prior to it.

Suffice it to say that it would be naive at this point to assume that either party will not use this crisis (or any other) for whatever political gain they can scrounge from the wreckage.

Ghostvette · 04-20-2020, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck

Yeah you are saying you had this and no big deal and compare it to the flu. Why don’t you get reinfected with it. Have a actual test to prove you are infected and please document your experience on you tube. It’s the only way to be sure to validate everything you know about it and your personal experience of recovery. Please educate all us non believers and believers. It’s the only way to be sure due to you knowing so much. Also, if you can prove anything you are saying by being infected and document it... I will buy you a bottle of whatever your poison is after recovery. Seems like your a fighter and have plenty of spirit. What do you have to lose?

I'm the 'duty guinea pig' in my household. I run the errands for my family & for my parents who are in their 80s. I've been around people that, according to them, tested positive for the CCP virus, they've had the symptoms, yet I didn't get it. That says one of two things, either I have a natural immunity to the virus or it is a disease that isn't as transmittable as people believe.

Something to think about. We know that the body reacts poorly to stress and that stress weakens the immune system. What happens if we are 'encouraged' to do something on an annual basis and then a high stress event occurs? Lots of people get sick and die. Good example, the "H1N1' flu in 2009. What happened during 2008 & 2009? The housing market exploded, people lost their homes. What does losing a home do to someone? Creates stress.... how many of those people that lost their homes got sick and later died from 'H1N1'?

What I'm saying is that we are being manipulated. We are taking what the media says at face value and no longer thinking for ourselves. The common cold is a coronavirus, yet we don't shut down the economy and our countries for the common cold. Viruses exist in the real world all the time, why is this one different? Answer: we've abandoned common sense and settled for the media pablum, choosing to assume that the media won't lie to us. Just because all the media is saying the exact same thing doesn't make it right. 95% of the media is owned by 6 corporations, why do you suppose that everyone of them is saying the exact same thing? Why are they supporting the ChiCom narrative that the virus came from the US and that the ChiComs are 'going to save the world'?

It's like Scully said in the X files... "the truth is out there.......... somewhere'

bunk · 04-20-2020, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson

You're debating an issue I didn't raise, deliberately. I'd rather keep the peace here, and tackle politics only as a concept, as opposed to attacking an individual party. I assure you that if I felt there would be any benefit in discussion, I'd participate quite ably - and I do not favor either the current administration, nor the one prior to it.

Suffice it to say that it would be naive at this point to assume that either party will not use this crisis (or any other) for whatever political gain they can scrounge from the wreckage.

I wasnt insinuating that you were referring to the issue on a national level, but I think thats relevant in the discussion of whether or not to keep the lockdown in place, or to what extent this should continue.

JARblue · 04-20-2020, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

it is a disease that isn't as transmittable as people believe

Some people out there believe some ridiculous stuff when it comes to the virus being transmitted. And they don't need the media to hype it for them.

It's a cold virus and transmits like a cold virus. It's easy to get it but there are also very simple precautions you can take that do an excellent job in preventing transmission. There's no reason we can't start sending people back to work in some states in some industries with these proper precautions. The return to work should be staged based on the ability of the industry and operations to enact the necessary safeguards. The easier it is and the lower the risk, the quick the return to work.

Many operating essential businesses are already employing these precautionary methods. It's large assembly gatherings that are going to be the toughest to bring back. Live music shows, sporting events, festivals, etc... are going to have some serious challenges.

cossie1600 · 04-20-2020, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bunk

But if you look at it on a national level and in our current political environment, it CAN very well be said that the hype of the corona virus is being amplified to put fear in people. Close the economy = ruin the economy (which it already is for generations to come). So close to a presidential election.

Like you said "their chances of reelection hinge upon their perceived competence in the midst of this crisis". Nothing but negative reports on the Administration from MSM. Its political.

Yup there is a bi-partisan effort to stop the economy, print out bunch of money, put 10% of the workforce out of work. They did it because they won the 2020 election.

The Wuhan virus is nothing more than the common flu, the images from Italy, Spain, China are deep fakes too right?

Do people actually believe this $hit?

ZCanadian · 04-20-2020, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Yup there is a bi-partisan effort to stop the economy, print out bunch of money, put 10% of the workforce out of work. They did it because they won the 2020 election.

The Wuhan virus is nothing more than the common flu, the images from Italy, Spain, China are deep fakes too right?

Do people actually believe this $hit?

Scary to think that some (many?) probably do!

No doubt that erring on the side of caution, and fear, is the right thing to do. Especially when you see people congregating en masse in NYC early in, only blocks away from where refrigerated trailers were being filled as temporary morgues. Some people, one has to hit more than once with an iron frying pan in order to get the point across. Unfortunately, those more considerate types are collateral damage as rules address the lowest common denominator.

I honestly don't see many bars, clubs, small restaurants coming out of this. Here, unofficially, radio stations who sponsor concerts are generally saying not to expect tours to re-start until summer or fall of 2021. So promoters, and all of the infrastructures (from venues to security to rentals to advertising) will be affected.

It will be very interesting to see how sporting events are handled. Playing to closed houses isn't the same. And there are still large numbers of support people required to stage televised sporting events, for whom social distancing is not possible. I doubt many teams want to risk their expensive players for unknown rewards, either.

bunk · 04-20-2020, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Yup there is a bi-partisan effort to stop the economy, print out bunch of money, put 10% of the workforce out of work. They did it because they won the 2020 election.

The Wuhan virus is nothing more than the common flu, the images from Italy, Spain, China are deep fakes too right?

Do people actually believe this $hit?

If you dont think corona virus is being used as a political tool, youve got blinders on.

cossie1600 · 04-20-2020, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bunk

If you dont think corona virus is being used as a political tool, youve got blinders on.

There is a huge difference between politicians using disasters to earn brownie points (CA-AB828) than shutting down the state during a disaster. CA and TX are both in shelter in place...

You like to think everything is political, but there are a lot of people who don't care about the left or right. People who blames everything on politics are the ones who have a political agenda.

Ghostvette · 04-20-2020, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

There is a huge difference between politicians using disasters to earn brownie points (CA-AB828) than shutting down the state during a disaster. CA and TX are both in shelter in place...

You like to think everything is political, but there are a lot of people who don't care about the left or right.

Oh..... you mean the 'altruistic' people that only want to help humanity......

bunk · 04-20-2020, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

There is a huge difference between politicians using disasters to earn brownie points (CA-AB828) than shutting down the state during a disaster. CA and TX are both in shelter in place...

You like to think everything is political, but there are a lot of people who don't care about the left or right. People who blames everything on politics are the ones who have a political agenda.

Its not that I "like to think everything is political", it that this issue is. Back during the State of the Union address, Trump began to sound the alarms about the virus. What did the Dems do? They said that trump was trying to distract from the impeachment hearings. Then he wanted to close the borders, what did the Dems say? That Trump was being a racist xenophobe. Now that the seriousness of the virus is on full display, the Dems are now saying Trump didnt do enough soon enough.
Tell me that ISNT political.

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 29	Exactly, some folks talk like the government is trying to wreck the economy on purpose. They did it because they have no choice. If anything, they had to overreact after not doing anything for a month as they couldn’t spoof the market. FL 4Motion, JARblue, ZCanadian and 1 others like this.