Increased MPG

[SlowRollin]

Any of the upgrade paths actually improvement MPG as well as HP? And I mean city driving, where it hurts most.

K&N filters only, or a better exhaust seems possible... if you can avoid showing off the added HP, my novice instinct says remove obstacles to air flow and you get better overall performance.

I'm sure this is blasphemy, but I have to know!!!!

[Chuck33079]

Many people report better gas mileage after a tune.

[BGTV8]

The best mod for city economy is to modify the driver and tame the right foot.

I have lifetime to date economy of 10.7 litres per 100 km (sorry to those in the US, but we are metric down here) and I regularly get 550 klics per tank with 8-10 litres remaining. Most of my daily drive is outer suburban - 15 klics, then 18 klics of freeway followed by 9 klics of CBD edge stop/start on main thru roads. I cover 42-43 km in an out each day and average ~11 l/100km. The car still gets a squirt to red-line in 2nd on freeway on-ramps to get up to merge speed

The main thing is to just stroke the car along and it rewards you with efficiency. I don;t baby it, but I also don;t hit the throttle to the floor constantly either

I'd have to find out the size of a US gallon to convert but I guess you guys can do that as well as me.

[MacCool]

I drive the car in a manner that pleases me. I don't pay any attention to my gas mileage. If that was important to me, I wouldn't be driving a 330 HP two-seat sports car.

[Jayhovah]

I've noticed a small gain in economy with my new catback.

[Hammtastic]

You are correct, less restriction equals more efficient which equals better mpg. I don't know what other people are reporting, but I am completely stock, and I have been able to manage 31.5mpg on the highway by only driving the speed limit. I'm very happy with that number and this alone makes me want to slow down (I typically drive 9mph over the speed limit).

[Hammtastic]

Originally Posted by MacCool

I drive the car in a manner that pleases me. I don't pay any attention to my gas mileage. If that was important to me, I wouldn't be driving a 330 HP two-seat sports car.

Around town, this is exactly me. However, on long road trips, I love to maximize my mpg. Sometimes I compete to see if I can beat my personal best, lol.

[SouthArk370Z]

Any mods that increase the efficiency of the engine (eg, freer-breathing intake/exhaust) will give better gas mileage ... if you drive the same before and after the mods. Most people aren't going to drive the same way after making performance mods.

For tips on getting the best MPG, see some of the hyper-miling sites and adapt/apply some of their techniques (eg, use gravity to your advantage) to your style of driving.

PS: If you drive it like a sports car, there's not a whole lot you can do to get better MPG around town. Other than quit driving it like a sports car.

[mishuko]

Originally Posted by BGTV8

The best mod for city economy is to modify the driver and tame the right foot.

I have lifetime to date economy of 10.7 litres per 100 km (sorry to those in the US, but we are metric down here) and I regularly get 550 klics per tank with 8-10 litres remaining. Most of my daily drive is outer suburban - 15 klics, then 18 klics of freeway followed by 9 klics of CBD edge stop/start on main thru roads. I cover 42-43 km in an out each day and average ~11 l/100km. The car still gets a squirt to red-line in 2nd on freeway on-ramps to get up to merge speed

The main thing is to just stroke the car along and it rewards you with efficiency. I don;t baby it, but I also don;t hit the throttle to the floor constantly either

I'd have to find out the size of a US gallon to convert but I guess you guys can do that as well as me.

I squirt in first too just because it's fun and I won't be in danger of getting a ticket on local roads compared to freeways/rural areas...

Originally Posted by MacCool

I drive the car in a manner that pleases me. I don't pay any attention to my gas mileage. If that was important to me, I wouldn't be driving a 330 HP two-seat sports car.

Sports car and efficiency... two words that should never be in the same sentence. It's a balance beam on one end performance on the other efficiency... you decide what you want then find what suits your hand (or foot or wallet)

Originally Posted by Z4U2NV

Around town, this is exactly me. However, on long road trips, I love to maximize my mpg. Sometimes I compete to see if I can beat my personal best, lol.

I had some decent mileage... went to Niagara and back with a bit of stop and go on the highway. moreso on the way back and I still managed less than half-tank used. Not bad if you ask me since I was being a bit spirited at times.

[Jordo!]

Generally speaking, power making mods increase the volume of air you take in. That means you need more fuel to mix with it in order to maintain the same AFR (maintained via ECU trimming fuel to target AFR, BTW), which means a lower MPG.

The only exception would be if the mixture (target) were leaned out via tune, which may or may not affect power -- the OEM tune is pretty rich up top ("wasted" to cool the cylinders rather than be burnt), so with no other breather mods involved, you could theoretically pick up a little power and improve MPG that way.

With breather mods and some (safe) leaning of the mixture, you'd probably break about even at best. That said, there are limits to how lean you can go to make best power, so the general rule of more air demands more fuel still applies...

Best way to improve MPG would be to drive in the highest gear possible, and to go easy on the throttle.

Next best way would be to make sure your tires are properly inflated.

Last would be to do some weight reduction.

[Chuck33079]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Generally speaking, power making mods increase the volume of air you take in. That means you need more fuel to mix with it in order to maintain the same AFR, which means a lower MPG.

True, unless possibly the mods increase the VE of the motor and you get some mpg gains through greater efficiency. We'll never know if the mods or the tune are what increases mpg since so few people are going to spend the coin to tune a bone stock car. Plus it all goes out the window when you put your foot into it anyway.

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Best way to improve MPG would be to drive in the highest gear possible, and to go easy on the throttle.

Next best way would be to make sure your tires are properly inflated.

Last would be to do some weight reduction.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

True, unless possibly the mods increase the VE of the motor and you get some mpg gains through greater efficiency. We'll never know if the mods or the tune are what increases mpg since so few people are going to spend the coin to tune a bone stock car. Plus it all goes out the window when you put your foot into it anyway.

I dunno about that... turbos and superchargers effectively increase VE, so there may be proportionate improvements in MPG, but the absolute changes in air volume still mean you need more fuel to burn it, meaning the overall MPG isn't going to improve.

Power gets lost as heat and fuel gets "wasted" (at least in terms of producing work) if unburnt. The former doesn't really factor much into MPG in real world conditions relative to the latter.

On that note, for a boosted motor, an intercooler will both condense the charge and also chill it -- meaning more grams of air consumed per sec (i.e., more efficient) and also less fuel needed to cool the charge and prevent autoignition. But... the greater volume of air still needs more fuel to produce power, so MPG is either going to break about even or go down.

I really don't understand how a freer flowing anything will improve MPG -- you may get less pumping losses, but if the AFR is fixed, fuel consumption will change with air mass taken in.

Arguably, if power is lost as heat, it would make just as much if not more sense to say that higher flow means a cooler charge. I'm sure that's true, but the effect is negligible.

Or am I missing something here?

[Chuck33079]

My wild-*** guess is that the cooler charge allows the ecu to use less fuel as a safety margin. At the end of the day, it's probably all statistical noise and the gains all come from the tune leaning things out.

[SouthArk370Z]

It depends on if you are looking at comparing MPG to throttle position or power output. If you use the same throttle position, then yes, miles per gallon will drop because you are moving more air/fuel and producing more power. If you use the same power output then, because of increased efficiency, fuel consumption will drop. Of course, there are many other real-world variables (especially that right foot) and we are talking about a sports car, so it's kinda like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. :P

[Chuck33079]

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

It depends on if you are looking at comparing MPG to throttle position or power output. If you use the same throttle position, then yes, miles per gallon will drop because you are using moving more air/fuel and producing more power. If you use the same power output then, because of increased efficiency, fuel consumption will drop.

I'm pretty sure you just hit the nail on the head.