I have to side with rt tuning. They replied to syno professionally and well-mannered, and then syno had to be an a-hole because he couldnt save 175 bucks. Its the shops decision whether or not to give you a discount, not yours. And they had a valid reason not to give you the discount too. Synos behavior is uncalled for, but I can understand the frustration. Dont take it out on rt tuning, its not their fault. Gl finding the right tuner.

I have to side with them also , I have never used them but know a few people that have I had been referred to them by more than a handful of people but just never made the drive from Boston, I can how ever speak on talking to them,. I talked to Vince and the guys over there a few times back when I was going through all my issues with me SC, He offered to help out all I had to do was get there car towed there- Heck even offered to help find a tow place to send it back for me.. They are good people over there and some of things you said "Like I tune subi's ,ECT " made it look you wanted a hook up or something from them, Then tossing prices around, and stated I could have got this "IF" , EH just go some where else and maybe come off a little different when talking to someone you want to work "for you". Someone always knows more than you :/

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totally true . as the last big special on License was on November 1st 2012
here is the quote of the email they sent to every PRO Tuner which came from Jared ( with some censure for business reason. )

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted to let everyone know that we are now offering discounts on volume license purchases. If you purchase 20 or more licenses you can get an extra XX% off for a total of XX% off MSRP bringing the price down from $XXX/each to $150/each.

Jared.


synolimit

don't get me wrong but according to the email log, you came up strong with some attitude with their pricing and even started making threat to make them look bad on the forum.

Im very glad that you wish to do the same as I did in the pass on the VVEL platform but this between you and R/T isn't cool from you.

they haven't told you to get lost, but they just didn't accept that old deal that was done in the pass.. you cant go to a business and tell them to charge you that previous deal which is obviously finish.*or at their discretion * there wasn't any point to get mad at them.


I would have done the same as them after getting that attitude and threat. no possible business.

interesting thread im in

Reading what RT Tuning posted. I'm going OMG. This kid needs some leasons on how to talk to people. Writing like you got a chip on your shoulder don't cut it.

You got some interesting ideas running around in your skull. But your attitude just kills it.

Good luck on getting it tuned.

Ruining a shops name because they wouldn't honor a sale from months ago is just pathetic man. I do all the work on my own car, and RT tuned it. Im very picky with who I let touch my car and IF I ever had to take it to a shop to have anything done I wouldn't hesitate to take it to them again. They were very careful with my car and the staff was all friendly, they really are a great shop. You really need to get some people skills.

Should probably go get another Subaru :tup:

Matt at Smokeys will be doing everything thanks. $525 year round and how it should be. IPS is $500 but the old tuner left and the GM tuners taking over. Just not 100% about that.

look you said it yourself, you had a very good friendly relationship with your previous tuner who is unavailable now. and you go to a a shop where they don't fcking know you at all. and ask them to reduce their pricing on a halfass N/A mod testing on your part. going back to another dyno after being tuned isn't gonna show the true gain since quite a bit of factor can affect the dyno reading. you cant fool yourself on this .

so after seeing your demand , they see you just as an know it all guy who tuned subbie but isn't willing to tune a simple VQ37VHR which isn't rocket science.

then they showed you how much they charge you. which would be 300$ licence + 400$ dyno tuning time at 700$. Like he said that the normal price charge on a non-special pricing sale.


then what you do after their reply ?

- you come back as your know it all guy who tuned subbies & worked at IPS for 5 years and a friend showed you on how to tune.

- then, you mention that 150$/ Uprev licenses which you don't fcking know the Uprev business to beginning with. and mention that for a Uprev dealer they gets licenses at 150$ which is false , your friend probably forgot to mention the previous big sale of the license from Uprev to their PRO/dealer tuner.

- you mentioned that R/T are doubling the license price which is arguing on a topic you don't really know in the first place. are you a Pro Tuner or Uprev Dealer ? d you have an account with them ?
I guess not . so you had NO reason to argue on their licensee price.

- then
- you ask again for a special price for a complete new guy they never seen yet and complain on your 8 hours drive. R/T aren't you friend yet and you still tried to force their hands to lower the price.

- then you mention that 525$ previous sale that was obviously finish a while ago. they could have gave you that special pricing if they knew you more than a know-it-all guy who tune subbies.

- since you mentioned that you are coming from 8 hours away that you can look else where if need be.

their answer was a normal answer to a rude guy and because of your situation that R/T isn't your best solution.



you probably haven't fully read and UNDERSTOOD what R/T replied at the #243 post.

he even spend quite a bit of HIS time to explain some of the big issues you seem to have and still do at this point.



good luck with your modding.


btw I'm sure you will start arguing on me with this but have you seen anybody taking your side since R/T posted ?
anyway....

Actually you did. and didn't on Vince's tuning.
Read back what you said man, before putting more fuel on the fire.

again, don't fool yourself, we see a ton more STD dyno sheet than SAE.
STD makes the customer happy because of higher reading. im sure they aren't hiding the SAE number.


so whats next ?

yeah your right.
im very sorry !!!!!!


GTM might be a best fit for his needs... that's my solution to your nice request. :tup:



on a side note sorry to take R/T position I just confirmed the license price with our PRO Tuner emails and went from there. I just get emotional on some bulshit happening ... I hope everybody can forgive me and my mistakes !!

Sooooooooooo should I have max bore do my TB's? Lol

I got my hands on 2 TBs and upper manifold. I'll be sending the TBs to Maxbore and exchanging the manifold for Z1's modified one.

Yes. aszyd just got mine back from being done with the butterfly shaft smoothed out and new flat headed screws. I'll have his OEM TB's tomorrow.

aszyd post some pics.

I have two more Tb's to sell and a lower mani


Edit 7/29. TB's sold, will have a 4th set soon.

So I finally got tuned today at Smokeys and I believe the 2nd here. Although the old tuner is gone for reasons that aren't good I guess. To my great surprise the car was still rich! It was rich stock I'm sure, rich with a CBE and CAI, rich with a LTH, and rich with ported TB's, ported upper and lower manifold. Average looks to be around 11.6-11.8. That sucks because I was taking it easy for fear of being lean for like 3 weeks after the manifolds and TB were installed.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps46d1e01e.jpg

Now after the tune its running around 12.6-12.7. The tuner said some run into the 13's but we felt safe with it turning into a track car to not make a dyno queen. I was told timing had been picked up around 3-4 degrees and there were some issues with uprev. The data logger was acting up only getting some of the items at times and the 2013 ROM wasn't doing what he wanted it to do. He would tell it to do things and it wouldn't 100%. Pretty much took all day after waiting 2 hours for uprev to email a license and some other things then start to build a new MAF map.

Since the car was rich he did a base run pull with the OEM size MAF housing so we could see a before and after on his dyno. I've never been on this one before and never heard of it. It's called a superflow AWD and uses something called STP instead of SAE or STD. After the base he started turning everything up. We swapped the MAF from 2.5" to 2.75" and finished it up. Results look to be around 15hp and 6tq at max peak with around 15hp and 15tq above 4500rpm in the mid range (minus that base run boost from 6300-7100). Pretty much what I thought a NA tune would do.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psbf160a73.jpg

Next I have to get back on the dyno I've been to a few times before and really compare all of them!!

Mods.
Customs 2.5" true dual CBE straight pipe
LTH
Custom 2.75" CAI
63mm ported TB
Ported upper mani
Ported lower mani

Awesome!

I still haven't received any info regarding my session last week. I will try to contact John directly, as my e-mail to Devin went nowhere...

So in summary you got

+15whp 4500k to peak
+15 trq ~4500rpm
+6 trq peak

Was this from stock to all the ported parts together? DO you plan to dyno individual parts? Just curious since I already have the m370.

Does it drive any different?

It drives like a car. 15 HP isn't going to suddenly start shredding tires.

No this was every performance part added on and base ran, then tuned. The increase shown is tune ONLY. I still have to go back to IPS and use their dyno now. Last was 293hp 243TQ.

This post was to show with the ported parts the car is in no danger. The freaking thing still runs crazy rich so don't worry about not getting a tune right away.

Feels great. Nothing mind blowing. The tune got me 15hp and the porting I'm not sure yet. If I go back to IPS and say I dyno 313hp 266tq, we know the tune made 15 of those so the porting will be whatever's extra. Feels fast though, smooth, LOUD!! Omg every person there after a run just kept saying how much the love the sound of the car. Good feeling since I made the CBE.

Pics from the porter. unlike the ones on mine, these have a full profiled butterfly shaft and flat head screws!!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps396767de.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps14f7487c.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psb291b7fb.jpg

Who did that port job?

Maxbore

Dyno day...

In for powaaaa!

:drama:

Impatiently tapping foot....... good luck with it

Well if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck. I had a feeling my car was just not the right test car. I think to much has been done and I'm just not sure. I really can't wrap my head around what happened. I'll try to do my best to explain. If you want to chime in I'm all ears!!

Ok I'm just going to compare my last dyno to this dyno with changes, the floors yours after. PS, I will find a local 370, take his car there, dyno, add parts, dyno. It's really the only way!

So what changed?? (I'm going to list it all!)
Temp last time 72*. Temp this time 78*.
Humidity last time 39%. This time 30%.
Both 29 in-Hg.
Both SAE.
Both corrected to 1.01 factor.
Both smoothing 3.
AFR last time around 12.7 average. This time around 13.3 so car is tuned???
Last time no tune. This time tuned.
99% sure last time 4th gear. Just called dyno guy, he said 100% 4th gear.
Tires last time 29lbs. Tires this time 30lbs.
Last time OEM lower. This time ported OEM lower.
Last time OEM upper. This time ported OEM upper.
Last time OEM TB's. This time ported OEM TB's.
Last time Stillen gen 3 copy, design and pipe size CAI. This time new CAI with more of a straightened piping with filters in the fenders and bigger MAF housing increased to 0.3" in size over old one and tuned for it of course!

And last, the guys said they haven't touched the dyno in anyway since last year.


Ok on to pics and summary. The new dyno looks like it gained absolutely nothing! And remember, I'm tuned now!! ((((I gained roughly 15hp/15tq at the other shop where I was tuned. The difference in the before and after on the day I was tuned of course was the tune and also the new CAI listed above, that's it. So at the old tuner the "base run" was everything that the first IPS dyno was but plus the 4 ported parts.) The lines criss cross today a few times throughout with a hiccup this time at 5500 rpm and it gained some power at 7100 rpm to redline (big deal). Besides seeing the leaner AFR this time you'd think I never got tuned, the CAI did nothing and the porting did nothing. I'm at a loss. I really thought I had it with the gearing.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps16c23300.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps02d9a583.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psff255658.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psc97806ed.jpg

FYI, base vs final tune on dyno day in their weird correction factor. Also my new CAI and tune here.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps740a1423.jpg

Their dyno did have a dynojet correction factor setting. Base DJ factor...

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps57584231.jpg

Final tune DJ correction factor...if their DJ factor really is like a DJ like I was on today then that's why the TQ are both mid 240's. But then where did my HP go??!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps7f5daf0d.jpg

That seems very lean to me. I am not surprised there is no gain.

Keep in mind the tail pipe sniffer is 0.5 leaner at IPS (proven with ecu hooked up to lap top showing widebands) then the OEM front wide bands where the car was tuned off of. The tuners dyno is 12.5ish with his tailpipe sniffer. IPS just must be old. It's not like the car went back to stock (I've heard it happen to some other 13 on here and the before was rich, not lean).

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ps46d1e01e.jpg

just more proof that all bolt ons will yield similar results and the only true bang for your buck is FI. These cars are pretty solid at stock and the simple bolt ons only give decent gains, but nothing jaw dropping.

my experience - Injen SRI intakes, 2.25" exhaust (kinetix HFC and invidia CBE) vs Stillen g3 CAI, 2.5" exhaust (Art test pipes and E370) yielded identical dyno results. give or take 1-2hp.

i wish you had better results, due to the effort you put in =[

I'm kind of agreeing with you but in his case , I wouldn't.

why

because at this point we aren't talking about just bolt-on parts but custom wok.
Which mean it needs to be tested and tested again with different part.
He is finally seeing what it is to be testing some theory on the VHR.

There is a reason why someone is going N/A and your argument isnt all that valid because F/I can not be an option.
so what he is doing is actually helping others to see some result and not make the same mistake.

His setup isn't perfect but he will get closer....

Maybe your car wasn't tuned correctly??? 0.o (don't quote me on this I'm no Tuning Guru) but porting means more air so more air requires more fuel? I've been following your project since day 1 and I Believe Your Project is Capable of Pushing WAYYY MORE than that.

I don't think that's fair if the test cars having issues. Have you seen a 370 get tuned and produce zero power? I gained during my tune on the other dyno. Just didn't gain any coming back to IPS dyno a year later. If someone's local I'll be more than glad to use there car to add parts to and show what happens.

Car was tuned for everything that's on it now. I don't see tuning an issue. There's no knock and AFR seems ok around 12.8 per the ecu (don't go off the sniffer). If it's not my setup then it can only be a few things. Dyno changed in a year, the gears where different, or something I'm not seeing. I'm thinking about going back to the exact same CAI as a year ago and retune.

fYI, traction control and YAW being off don't matter do they?

Post the UpRev fuel tables.

So dyno is saying you gained absolutely nothing? That's hard to believe.