Will an extra 20HP make the car "feel" different?

earwicker7 · 06-28-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik

wow $200 to install?
just do it yourself ..i did
they should honor your warranty as long as it has nothing to do with the intake

But for that $200, they'll honor the warranty even if it has to do with the intake. As I mentioned before, I'm not even close to a mechanic, but there are a lot of things that Nissan could claim were "caused" by an intake, aren't there?

Anyways, $200 isn't a huge amount when we're talking about a $40k+ car. Call it a one month insurance payment

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earwicker7 · 06-27-2009, 09:29 PM

Thanks for looking out for my wallet, but I seriously have no mechanical skills.

280z/300zx · 06-28-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by earwicker7

Thanks for looking out for my wallet, but I seriously have no mechanical skills.

You don't want this mod if you can't do the install. Why? Because in order for you to do the regular maintanence on these filters you have to remove the front bumper to get to the filters; the same as you would do for the install. So unless you plan to get rapped by the dealer everytime you need a filter cleaning I would say don't do this mod.

FuszNissan · 06-28-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

You don't want this mod if you can't do the install. Why? Because in order for you to do the regular maintanence on these filters you have to remove the front bumper to get to the filters; the same as you would do for the install. So unless you plan to get rapped by the dealer everytime you need a filter cleaning I would say don't do this mod.

Filters don't need maintanence until 50,000 miles.

ZKindaGuy · 06-28-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by earwicker7

The guys at the local Nissan dealership said that, as long as they do the install, they could think of one engine boost that wouldn't violate the warranty... the Stillen Stage 3 intake. They said it was close to a 20HP gain for around $750 installed.

My question is how much of a difference this would make in the "feel" of the car. Back in the day, I had an old Porsche that was boosted from 140HP to 210HP (let's just say that the guy who built it was gifted beyond belief) and the 70HP gain turned it into a different car. However, that was a gain of 50%, so you'd expect it to make a difference. If my math is correct, I'd only be looking at a boost of about 6% on the 370Z.

Is this enough of a boost to at least throw me back in the seat a little more? I'm not expecting this to increase the 0-60 by half a second or anything, but it would be nice to feel a bit of a difference when I floor it from a dead stop.

From a price point perspective it is kind of over priced. A gain of 1 horsepower should average about $25 to $30 per horse. You would be paying approximately $37.50 per horse for this particular mod.

Some folks might not consider that to be too outragious but it is 20% above the average of what you should have to pay. As for the gain...it would be noticeable but not earthshaking. The mod would however prepare the way for doing a complete exhaust makeover.

6SPD_FTW · 06-28-2009, 03:49 PM

Filter maintenance should be a non-issue. As well protected as the filters are behind the bumper, I'd wager they'll be just fine for a WHILE unless you drive around in the dust a lot.

Typically, you can't really FEEL a hp gain until its 7hp. Butt dyno won't detect any difference unless you gain at least 7hp. I'm sure you'll be able to feel 20hp. Just sayin...

Late,
Trav

LiquidZ · 06-28-2009, 06:09 PM

I'm sure 20 hp will be noticeable.

zZSportZz · 06-28-2009, 06:32 PM

I think that some people forget $200 dollars isn't the same to everyone

$200 dollars to me may be like $5 dollars to someone else.

Personally, I would do the install myself instead of spending 200 bucks...but I have friends who would gladly pay $200 dollars just not to get their hands dirty.

BMW Killa · 06-28-2009, 07:31 PM

They say 10 hp is where you can feel a HP increase. I don't know where these guys had their asses calibrated, but I can't feel anything under 20.

kannibul · 06-29-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by earwicker7

The guys at the local Nissan dealership said that, as long as they do the install, they could think of one engine boost that wouldn't violate the warranty... the Stillen Stage 3 intake. They said it was close to a 20HP gain for around $750 installed.

My question is how much of a difference this would make in the "feel" of the car. Back in the day, I had an old Porsche that was boosted from 140HP to 210HP (let's just say that the guy who built it was gifted beyond belief) and the 70HP gain turned it into a different car. However, that was a gain of 50%, so you'd expect it to make a difference. If my math is correct, I'd only be looking at a boost of about 6% on the 370Z.

Is this enough of a boost to at least throw me back in the seat a little more? I'm not expecting this to increase the 0-60 by half a second or anything, but it would be nice to feel a bit of a difference when I floor it from a dead stop.

Check the oil cooler thread, there was a lot of discussion (mostly from me) to where the Magnuson-Moss Act was suggested, specificaly where adding mods won't violate any warranty unless they can prove that the mods did the damage.

kannibul · 06-29-2009, 08:41 AM

Also, something else - some dealers won't touch aftermarket parts. Mine, for example.

I'll have to find a mechanic that'll do it - I'm sure I can find one - when I had to have my truck worked on, I called a place and they said "bring us the parts, we'll put 'em on"

They got beat out by price by another guy...

KillerBee370 · 06-29-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by earwicker7

They said it was close to a 20HP gain for around $750 installed.

"They" are trying to make money in an otherwise sh*tty economy. Research a bit more on this and other forums. Not only are there great DIY sections that will help out a tool challenged individual as yourself but there is also more accurate numbers concerning this particular addition.

Good luck and be smart.

need4speed · 06-30-2009, 09:42 AM

Just put it in homey. My dealership honors warranty with intake and exhaust. Headers. Has to be done by them. As long as it bolts on. Most warranties can't void. But I just remembered the stage 3 intake involves cutting in an area u don't normally deal with when installing an intake. But I would just get it in there. Honestly if u spend 200 smacks on a chic u don't even kno to get laid at the end of the night.
Then I wouldn't se a problem spending the cash.
U can also get an ase certified mechanic of your own to do the job for 60 bucks as a side job. Then have him sign off on it with his ase#. And they would have to honor it.
The dealer can't force u 2 use there mechanic. The only law in warranty that work must be done by ase certified mechanics. That's it. Turbos superchargers and certain parts relating to these always void warranty for sure.

blackbird · 06-30-2009, 08:53 PM

Click deeper into the price at Stillen, the Stillen Gen 3 is $421.85.

GMZ · 06-30-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbird

Click deeper into the price at Stillen, the Stillen Gen 3 is $421.85.

That is interesting, details pls?

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06-27-2009, 09:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
earwicker7 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 265 Drives: 09 370Z (maxed out) Rep Power: 17	Thanks for looking out for my wallet, but I seriously have no mechanical skills.

06-28-2009, 03:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
6SPD_FTW Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bristol, VA Posts: 59 Drives: 09 370Z Bl 6MT Rep Power: 17	Filter maintenance should be a non-issue. As well protected as the filters are behind the bumper, I'd wager they'll be just fine for a WHILE unless you drive around in the dust a lot. Typically, you can't really FEEL a hp gain until its 7hp. Butt dyno won't detect any difference unless you gain at least 7hp. I'm sure you'll be able to feel 20hp. Just sayin... Late, Trav

06-28-2009, 06:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
zZSportZz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,095 Drives: 370z Blk on Blk 6MT Rep Power: 19	I think that some people forget $200 dollars isn't the same to everyone $200 dollars to me may be like $5 dollars to someone else. Personally, I would do the install myself instead of spending 200 bucks...but I have friends who would gladly pay $200 dollars just not to get their hands dirty.

06-28-2009, 07:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
BMW Killa Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: FL Posts: 287 Drives: neezmo Rep Power: 189	They say 10 hp is where you can feel a HP increase. I don't know where these guys had their asses calibrated, but I can't feel anything under 20.

06-29-2009, 08:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 268	Also, something else - some dealers won't touch aftermarket parts. Mine, for example. I'll have to find a mechanic that'll do it - I'm sure I can find one - when I had to have my truck worked on, I called a place and they said "bring us the parts, we'll put 'em on" They got beat out by price by another guy...

06-30-2009, 09:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
need4speed Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: tx Posts: 199 Drives: 08 altima 3.5se Rep Power: 17	Just put it in homey. My dealership honors warranty with intake and exhaust. Headers. Has to be done by them. As long as it bolts on. Most warranties can't void. But I just remembered the stage 3 intake involves cutting in an area u don't normally deal with when installing an intake. But I would just get it in there. Honestly if u spend 200 smacks on a chic u don't even kno to get laid at the end of the night. Then I wouldn't se a problem spending the cash. U can also get an ase certified mechanic of your own to do the job for 60 bucks as a side job. Then have him sign off on it with his ase#. And they would have to honor it. The dealer can't force u 2 use there mechanic. The only law in warranty that work must be done by ase certified mechanics. That's it. Turbos superchargers and certain parts relating to these always void warranty for sure.

06-30-2009, 08:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
blackbird Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 179 Drives: 09 370Z BLk GTM TT Rep Power: 17	Click deeper into the price at Stillen, the Stillen Gen 3 is $421.85.