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I just spent this last weekend at GTM. I met with SAM and the tech actively working on my car. They are actively working on customer cars, putting together everyone's kits to be shipped, working on people's refunds and working to get things right.

I am not saying this as a fanboy or because of any affiliation...

I am saying this as that was what was obvious as fact while I was in the shop... People's names were on boxes with packing lists on them, there were whiteboards with projects on them and what was supposed to happen, Sam had a list of bills and refunds with checklists next to them... It appears they are working to make things right.

For those saying GTM is going bankrupt and we should all abandon ship... This is not the case... GTM as a business is not going anywhere. Were there bad decisions being made? Yes, and Sam is working to rectify the situation and learn from the mistakes.

For those upset about the MHI kit... To be honest Sam should not have opened the GB until after all the dev work was completed... I saw atleast 6+ sets of cast turbo manifold revisions! From talking to Sam a revision and recast could take up to 3 months... In that aspect alone I saw atleast at a minimum 1.5 years worth of revisions from R&D... The same went for the V3 turbo manifolds... I do not believe the kit was ready for the GB and it is definitely a business lesson GTM learned. For those awaiting refunds for this GB you will get your money... I asked Sam on this specific subject and he said they are working on getting refunds out slowly but surely.

The mood in the shop was more towards "let's get it done" attitude.

All in all: I went to check on my car and to get my extra parts and bring them home. I sat down with Sam and asked him many questions. I had Sam show me what was going on in the shop and I made observations while looking for my parts boxes and sorting through what stayed and what I took home. There was no evidence that GTM was in trouble at the shop.

I hope this unbiased update will give some of you better insight to what is going on.

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For those saying GTM is going bankrupt and we should all abandon ship... This is not the case... GTM as a business is not going anywhere. Were there bad decisions being made? Yes, and Sam is working to rectify the situation and learn from the mistakes.


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I just spent this last weekend at GTM. I met with SAM and the tech actively working on my car. They are actively working on customer cars, putting together everyone's kits to be shipped, working on people's refunds and working to get things right.

I am not saying this as a fanboy or because of any affiliation...

I am saying this as that was what was obvious as fact while I was in the shop... People's names were on boxes with packing lists on them, there were whiteboards with projects on them and what was supposed to happen, Sam had a list of bills and refunds with checklists next to them... It appears they are working to make things right.

For those saying GTM is going bankrupt and we should all abandon ship... This is not the case... GTM as a business is not going anywhere. Were there bad decisions being made? Yes, and Sam is working to rectify the situation and learn from the mistakes.

For those upset about the MHI kit... To be honest Sam should not have opened the GB until after all the dev work was completed... I saw atleast 6+ sets of cast turbo manifold revisions! From talking to Sam a revision and recast could take up to 3 months... In that aspect alone I saw atleast at a minimum 1.5 years worth of revisions from R&D... The same went for the V3 turbo manifolds... I do not believe the kit was ready for the GB and it is definitely a business lesson GTM learned. For those awaiting refunds for this GB you will get your money... I asked Sam on this specific subject and he said they are working on getting refunds out slowly but surely.

The mood in the shop was more towards "let's get it done" attitude.

All in all: I went to check on my car and to get my extra parts and bring them home. I sat down with Sam and asked him many questions. I had Sam show me what was going on in the shop and I made observations while looking for my parts boxes and sorting through what stayed and what I took home. There was no evidence that GTM was in trouble at the shop.

I hope this unbiased update will give some of you better insight to what is going on.

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I am not sure what you saw while you were there in regard to things owed to others, but it does make sense that they are trying to make good (as much as possible) with the community. I never liked the way things sounded when I talked to them back in 2010. I don't think anything has change between then and now, other than they got hung up trying to make a quick run of something that needed more work (just like some of their other offerings).

I am sure that they will make good with you, since you talk good about them AND you have spent a lot of money while they used your platform to develop things.

Any way you want to see this, it shows the true colors of this company and it's business practices. That is why I chose to stay away 4 years ago.

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I just spent this last weekend at GTM. I met with SAM and the tech actively working on my car. They are actively working on customer cars, putting together everyone's kits to be shipped, working on people's refunds and working to get things right.

I am not saying this as a fanboy or because of any affiliation...

I am saying this as that was what was obvious as fact while I was in the shop... People's names were on boxes with packing lists on them, there were whiteboards with projects on them and what was supposed to happen, Sam had a list of bills and refunds with checklists next to them... It appears they are working to make things right.

For those saying GTM is going bankrupt and we should all abandon ship... This is not the case... GTM as a business is not going anywhere. Were there bad decisions being made? Yes, and Sam is working to rectify the situation and learn from the mistakes.

For those upset about the MHI kit... To be honest Sam should not have opened the GB until after all the dev work was completed... I saw atleast 6+ sets of cast turbo manifold revisions! From talking to Sam a revision and recast could take up to 3 months... In that aspect alone I saw atleast at a minimum 1.5 years worth of revisions from R&D... The same went for the V3 turbo manifolds... I do not believe the kit was ready for the GB and it is definitely a business lesson GTM learned. For those awaiting refunds for this GB you will get your money... I asked Sam on this specific subject and he said they are working on getting refunds out slowly but surely.

The mood in the shop was more towards "let's get it done" attitude.

All in all: I went to check on my car and to get my extra parts and bring them home. I sat down with Sam and asked him many questions. I had Sam show me what was going on in the shop and I made observations while looking for my parts boxes and sorting through what stayed and what I took home. There was no evidence that GTM was in trouble at the shop.

I hope this unbiased update will give some of you better insight to what is going on.

Mike
it's good you are getting your car finished (I hope you really do for your sake), but pretty sure any of the current members wouldn't send any $$ their way for anything. Any new members asking about parts will get sent to the various train wreck threads, pretty sure they are screwed forum wise until next generation Z and most of us are not around anymore. (again not sure how much work came from the forums, would assume a fair bit)

They had a really good thing going with the group buy, but that's completely ruined their rep. Lots of people got completely screwed over and the people who didn't get screwed over, were all the other people saying that we were going to get screwed over lol
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I just spent this last weekend at GTM. I am running public PR for GTM now...(blah blah blah etc.)
Did you ask Sam what the heck happened that they could not get my waste-gate relocation kit ordered through CZP done in 5 months?

It's just 2 simple Tial waste-gates, some down pipes and misc piping for the recirculation option. The fact they can't get something that simple together is further telling of the fact they can't get any TT kits shipped out the door.

Next time you run a PR mission to Rancho Cucamonga, ask Sam that for me will ya? KTHNXBYE!

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Did you ask Sam what the heck happened that they could not get my waste-gate relocation kit ordered through CZP done in 5 months?

It's just 2 simple Tial waste-gates, some down pipes and misc piping for the recirculation option. The fact they can't get something that simple together is further telling of the fact they can't get any TT kits shipped out the door.

Next time you run a PR mission to Rancho Cucamonga, ask Sam that for me will ya? KTHNXBYE!
Almost forgot about that "mishap". Another prime example.
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Did you ask Sam what the heck happened that they could not get my waste-gate relocation kit ordered through CZP done in 5 months?

It's just 2 simple Tial waste-gates, some down pipes and misc piping for the recirculation option. The fact they can't get something that simple together is further telling of the fact they can't get any TT kits shipped out the door.

Next time you run a PR mission to Rancho Cucamonga, ask Sam that for me will ya? KTHNXBYE!
First of all not a PR mission. Secondly, the attitude is not needed. I went to check on my car out of legitimate concern for the time it was taking to complete. That and I had a plethora of parts that needed to come home like a ~$800 dry carbon intake duct... So I went to see the progress, check in the condition of my car, pick up my stuff, talk to sam one on one and it soo happened to be a prime time to ask him questions about what is really going on.

I don't know about your order or the mishap that happened there. However, if you want to confront me feel free to do it in PM. I hold myself to a high stadard and what I put out is the truth. If you don't like it so be it... Go play elsewhere. I harbor no bad feelings about what has been posted or those in this thread but... If another person decides to insinuate that I am on a PR mission or that I am lying I have no problem calling AK or Frost or even Trips on the phone and letting them deal with you.

I am a very nice person who was thinking of others when I posted... If you people do not want insight and want your little witch hunt by all means have one on your own. This forum can quickly turn into my350 they way you guys are starting to act... And everyone hates my350!
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...This forum can quickly turn into my350 they way you guys are starting to act... And everyone hates my350!
It's a great source of knowledge and foresight !

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First of all not a PR mission. Secondly, the attitude is not needed. I went to check on my car out of legitimate concern for the time it was taking to complete. That and I had a plethora of parts that needed to come home like a ~$800 dry carbon intake duct... So I went to see the progress, check in the condition of my car, pick up my stuff, talk to sam one on one and it soo happened to be a prime time to ask him questions about what is really going on.

I don't know about your order or the mishap that happened there. However, if you want to confront me feel free to do it in PM. I hold myself to a high stadard and what I put out is the truth. If you don't like it so be it... Go play elsewhere. I harbor no bad feelings about what has been posted or those in this thread but... If another person decides to insinuate that I am on a PR mission or that I am lying I have no problem calling AK or Frost or even Trips on the phone and letting them deal with you.

I am a very nice person who was thinking of others when I posted... If you people do not want insight and want your little witch hunt by all means have one on your own. This forum can quickly turn into my350 they way you guys are starting to act... And everyone hates my350!
I don't think you are lying or their PR machine, I just think you are blind. After everything that has happened, you still put too much trust in the words of a real liar.
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