Those 5 years never happened. They have never been the only one making kits, they were just the only one bombarding the forums, and putting their name on everything anyone did. My Z has been twin turbo for a very long time, never have and never would use a single GTM part.

K1 rods (which are what GTM relabels as their own) have been available for a long time. Piston manufacturers always have and always will make you whatever you want within a couple weeks. GTM doesnt make any of those components... from since ever you thought GTM did, they were already available elsewhere.

So ya, I dont count any of that, you are just a victim of the grand illusion. Most "GTM" parts can be purchased straight from their true manufacturer.

it blows my mind that threads like this against a "sponsor" stay open foooorrrrrrreeeeevvvveeeerrrrr.......

but a light street racing one got shut down in under 1 hour.

:bowrofl:

IBTL - in a year :tup:

these are fun to read though :yum:

I understand the parts are made by other companies, but consider gtm were the ones to send the rod info to k1 and pay to have the initial batch designed and made, they kind of made it happen, now that other companies have contacted k1 and gotten the part number they are available, the arias pistons were initially developed for gtm and what where the other options for kits? Greddy and stillen? One cant make 500hp unless you redesign half the kit and the other is 9 fuckin grand for 18g's and piping.

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Anyone can send a stock connecting rod (maybe $40?) to a manufacturer and have a set of rods made. Nobody has to have done it first. When you are ready, you just call them, and they just make it on the spot, and all is well. This is the way it is for many builds too, because lots of builders want custom specs. They dont have to wait for GTM to have ordered a batch first. There was never a day on earth that you could only get a VHR piston or connecting rod from GTM. That never happened.

The Greddy kit, said and done, didnt cost any more than the GTM kits of the time. The Greddy has gone up as the exchange got worse and because they didnt push it on the forums it wasnt popular. But it was there.

Aside from all that, pricing doesnt change the fact that it did, indeed, exist. Actually fit better too, and makes more power at lower boost. BTW they are 20g turbos not 18g.

You can tell who are the GTM :nutswinger: by reading these replies lol

Yeah I called that number and it said it was disconnected. Anyways sent them an e-mail and they haven't responded. They don't want my money, it'll go elsewhere.

did you dial number right? works for me.

It for sure works, talked to Sam yesterday.

Not a GTM :nutswinger:, just providing my first hand experiences.

Poor GTM. As a new Z owner I've been lurking the forums trying to figure out which companies were known for doing good work on our cars. Until I read this thread I had GTM at the top of the list. I'm not saying this thread alone has deterred me, but I've noticed much of the praise for GTM products on this forum and others has been from around 2012 and back, maybe earlier. More recently all I seem to see are unhappy owners frustrated with missed delivery dates or worse (such as not receiving their refund when they ask for it).

:shakes head:

To be fair, it is hard to tell what exactly is causing these problems. Perhaps the production is simply overloaded. Maybe the management had a situation and had to let part of their workforce go. It is inexcusable, however, not to keep your clientele informed and feeling secure, especially the ones who have already paid you money.

For myself, I am in no hurry to give my car, much less my money, to any company dealing with these problems, whether it turns out to be a misunderstanding or not. If one day it gets sorted and GTM's reputation is repaired, they'll be back on my list... and I truly hope it does. For now, though, excuse me while I call Tony at Fast Intentions... :tup:

GTM used to be able to charge a price premium on their parts and labor. This was based on the belief that "you get what you pay for". The turbo group buy was a major departure for them in providing a "value" priced item, which has backfired. A logical move might be to lower prices and offer specials to retain volume, but that may squeeze cash flow even more.

Look MMC, we get it, we all know you are anti GTM because of their failed CARB certified supercharger kit. We understand that you were burned and are very butt hurt over the situation. Everybody knows that GTM screwed up on the group buy situation however, let them TRY to bounce back. If it fails then you can forever be known as "that guy" who was anti GTM since the beginning.

Nobody here is trying to advocate GTM, most of us are just trying to give them a chance to bounce back. I have hope for the company as a whole, if I am wrong, so be it. Ill buy you a case if everything turns out in your favor. I have no hard feelings for anybody.

Cheers,
Ill

*That offer only stands with MMC :ughdance::tiphat:

:wtf2:

Funny as I haven't been "anti GTM since the beginning". I wanted to buy a promised product of theirs for not 1, but 2 vehicles. The "haters gonna hate" crowd is stale and boring.

This thread isn't for people to argue about who is nut swinging and who is not.

My build research started back in late 2009 after I closed the deal on my 2009 NISMO Edition (while I was deployed to Iraq). I spoke with Sam and others at that time (GTM). For what they offered, it just wasn't worth the premium price that they wanted. The only other kit available at the time was Greddy. The Greddy kit had proven numbers and no issues. Of course you had to work your own management and fueling, but that seemed much better to me than the turn-key solutions that GTM provided at the time. For what I did with my build, GTM wanted much more and the parts were (more than likely) going to be rebranded or overpriced in-house pieces. Then they announce a MHI kit........come on man!

/rant

Say what you want, but GTM has never looked good in my eyes. I said it before and I will say it again.......GTM will never get any of my money! If the shoe fits, wear it. If it is black, quacks, and waddles, then it's a duck! Stop trying to defend a company that is not really pioneering anything, but making the claim. Rebranded parts are not pioneering the platform.

/end rant

This is the 1st and last time i ever buy from GTM, simply because lack of communication and updates.

I'm not here to bash GTM, but I'm not afraid to tell people who are interested in buying my car about what they need to know. Granted, I prefer to sell my car to someone who can continue on with the project knowing that GTM might not be around to support them if they need to get some replacement parts.

The only thing I can think of that's fairly important is the steering knuckle (if it snaps) and the turbo manifolds. My car is doing pretty well as it stands even if it's not running at full potential, but I'll need to figure something out when it's time to drop the engine.

I definitely have complaints about GTM but I don't think they're going bankrupt. For what it's worth I finally got the last piece of my stage 1.5 sc today, and everything looks good, it just took forever to get here. I mean the wait time is unacceptable and the only way to talk to them is calling them, but I feel like its really cause they have way too much work.

I have been to GTM 3 times in the last month to pick up some parts that i ordered. I can say that it definitely seem like they have way to much work for the staff that they have available. From me being there and seeing the place and whats going on it seems like they are just trying to catch up with all the orders that are backed up. I don't get the feeling that they are closing the doors

I'm gonna agree with you. BUT lack of communication/way Sam has been dealing with people wanting their money back has been sketch

Yes worse communication i have ever dealt with.

Blah,blah,blah,:hello:

Communication seems to be fine.

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It's one of sam's Disciples!!!! lol

Not a disciple...just providing proof that it really isn't as bad as everybody says it is...

Like I said before, I am not a :nutswinger:, I am just providing proof. Everybody is involved in a witch hunt to bring GTM down, I am just providing evidence that communication isn't a problem to some of us. I agree the HMI situation is beyond Fu**ked up, I agree !00% there! However getting in touch with him isn't as impossible as some claim.

I know most of the followers in this thread will never change their mind, I am just providing my personal experience with proof. My car has been with GTM for almost two months, we have been in contact the entire time discussing my build and tweaking it here and there as we both seem fit. It should be finished in a few days and I will receive my car at the end of the week, providing the shipping company has a spot on their transport truck.

Keep bashing, just because you have a bad experience with them, doesn't mean we all do.

Fixed!!!!!

The problem lies in that Sam picks and chooses who he wants to deal/communicate with, completely disregarding the fact that he is holding six thousand plus dollars of yours with no product to deliver.

He is holding over $40,000* (including parts and labor as well as the value of the car, labor and parts that I have already paid for) of mine, and it will be ready for me to take delivery by the end of this week.

*The number is what I have spent totally up to this point in the past two years, not necessarily the the total value of the car currently.

I am a 23 year old working my way through college, I do not have the luxury of of making a bad investment or bad financial decision. I feel that if I am willing to take a risk and trust a company, then others should be able too.

Gl, and to all the MHI buyers that spent less than 40k.

A 23 year old working his way through college and does not have the luxury of making a bad investment or financial decision.... Does this statement seem odd to anyone else or is it just me? You already made a bad financial decision when u started to spend your hard earned money on the Z. If you are truly working your way through college and take this kind of risk for a car and go with a shop that has some serious integrity problems.......... Well, you have impulse and money management issues.... Good luck!!!! :tup:

Wait for his review after he gets his car back from gtm (if he gets it back)
College kids can afford z and tt, wow

I bought mine brand new with my own money when i was 19 so you guys can all suck a fat...

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I saved for years to be able to afford my car and my TT kit, if anything that shows I have great impulse and money management skills.

Budgeting and working hard for what you want, it does wonders.

I hope that budget included and extra 10-15k if and when your motor pops.
just saying.

I have an "oh ****" account. No worries there :tiphat:

That's Great!!!!

So what is being done for 40.0000.00 dollars.
my 4.2 stroker is costing me 25000.00 with the stage 3 upgrades and that not installed in my car.
Just talked to Sam. it may be done is 2 weeks .

$40,000 is the total of everything that has been put into the car and the car itself.

$22,000 for the car when I purchased it
~$10,000 for the TT kit
~$1,000 in gauges and EBC
~$2,500 in wheels and tires
~$1,500 brakes and suspension work
~$1,600 clutch / flywheel / HD csc
~$5,000 for the installation of the TT and all the supporting mods that I sent him.

Since everything has already been paid for and my car is still at their shop, he is holding $40,000 of the money that I have spent, if that makes any sense. That is how I think of it, until I get my car back, he is holding the money. I should have clarified.

No matter how you want to swing it, buying a Z and then buying a TT kit is a terrible investment and a bad financial decision.

You will never get what you put into it. And don't use "fun" as a factor... that's how we all justify buying a 2 door sports car that gets 20 mpgs. So, technically speaking.. unless you plan to race professionally in that car for $$, its a bad investment.

But have fun at least!