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Originally Posted by elperuano BP kit is by faaaar the cheaper route with the same end results. same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons

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BP kit is by faaaar the cheaper route with the same end results.
same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
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same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
Not knocking your findings, but E85 plays a huge role as well as ign timing. I've never seen a BP hail Mary run, I've seen like 5 F.I. hail Mary runs. Yes F.I.' kit will spool quicker, but not what you're making it out to be.
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Not knocking your findings, but E85 plays a huge role as well as ign timing. I've never seen a BP hail Mary run, I've seen like 5 F.I. hail Mary runs. Yes F.I.' kit will spool quicker, but not what you're making it out to be.
that FI curve is on pump 91 on their 540rwhp dyno run compared to BP's 550 rwhp dyno


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that FI curve is on pump 91 on their 540rwhp dyno run compared to BP's 550 rwhp dyno


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Numbers are great to be compared with only if it is on the same dyno with the same tuner.

Different factors can change things. The BP graph that you showed, I believe belongs to jmacs and the one I showed is galeforce's. You can tell which one is tuned more aggressive and which is conservative.
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same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
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Not knocking your findings, but E85 plays a huge role as well as ign timing. I've never seen a BP hail Mary run, I've seen like 5 F.I. hail Mary runs. Yes F.I.' kit will spool quicker, but not what you're making it out to be.
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OP, you can't go wrong with either one of these kits. Both are build with the same quality, and both Tony and I stand behind our products.

The two kits are however very different, but offer similar performance results. The two graphs above show you that both kits are capable of 10psi at 3,500rpm. The rest of the numbers will all depend on the tuner, and how comfortable he is with the fuel, timing, confidence in the engine, use of the car (road/track)...ect.
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The two kits are however very different, but offer similar performance results. The two graphs above show you that both kits are capable of 10psi at 3,500rpm. The rest of the numbers will all depend on the tuner, and how comfortable he is with the fuel, timing, confidence in the engine, use of the car (road/track)...ect.
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I would agree the twins will spool quicker, at higher cost. Ease of use on the 6266 is going to be a high commodity at a lower price.

So what a guy thinks is more important should be his factor.
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same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
....sigh... just read what SS read and you'll be alright.
To the OP be very wary when reading into numbers. As u can tell people try to run different fuel setups and think it's all the same. As was stated most FI kits run e85 and u cannot compare that to PUMP gas. As I said before a pump gas FI setup and a pump gad BP setup is very similar end result.
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same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
Dood...then I have everyone beat. Even with lower boost.

Also all these FI cars are tuned on a DJ.

My DJ numbers would be

368whp and 471wtq @ 4k on 9.1 psi.
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same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
Ill give you 3k results, but 4k....not so much. The BP kit is the most complete DIY kit at the most economical price. I have never driven a TT z, but this car makes swiss cheese out of almost everything on the street. With the new update to the BP it is hands down the best VALUE kit. THe FI kit fanFRIGGINGtastic, but not for my pocket book, if the car is being tracked, I would proably go TT, street car, at my power level, MONSTER, cannot image the guys out there with built motors running more.
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same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
I guess I'll chime in with my numbers just to add fuel to the fire. These are adjusted for DJ equivalents

BP 9psi (62kPa) 3K rpm ---- 201rwhp 345rwtq
BP 9psi (62kPa) 4k rpm ---- 334rwhp 434rwtq

The FI kit is awesome and I have nothing bad to say about it. As with anything there are pros and cons to TT and single T. I stand by single turbo and the BP kit does perform very well. Not to mention that having the turbo basically right there under the floor board gives you all the good turbo noises all the time.

I would also like to mention that PSI means NOTHING. It's about how much air is moving. Boost levels are only compariable with similar/equal sized turbos.
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same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp
These numbers are just not true for the BP kits that are out there also ignition timing plays a

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I understand that.. And I'm not trying to diss BP here. It's a nice kit! But show me a trap speed for BP. Fast intentions did 126mph on their 100 octane tune 10psi
There was one car that F.I had that trapped 126 MPH I haven't seen a B.P car yet . A GTM stage 1 TT trapped 127 MPH on pump gas 93 , basically what I'm saying is you can't base power from these kits on trap speed alone. This is because it's just not enough boosted cars in our community going to the 1/4 track.


To the O.P you need to contact speak to both vendors and weigh your options come up with you're own list of what you're looking for. from both kits
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The fact that this guy ^ is going from a stage 3 TT setup to a siingle has to say something. Granted its not from an FI kit which will be a better quality kit.

Squeeze, what size snail are you going with on your future setup?

Honestly, any one who has the FI kit is going to ******* love it and post they do. Anyone with the BP kit is going to do the same and say the same. You cant go wrong with either.

Its like fake boobs compared to real. They are both tremendous amounts of fun.
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The fact that this guy ^ is going from a stage 3 TT setup to a siingle has to say something. Granted its not from an FI kit which will be a better quality kit.

Squeeze, what size snail are you going with on your future setup?

Honestly, any one who has the FI kit is going to ******* love it and post they do. Anyone with the BP kit is going to do the same and say the same. You cant go wrong with either.

Its like fake boobs compared to real. They are both tremendous amounts of fun.
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