Is that oil cooler smaller than the HD one you sell? Looks smaller than mine...and have you guys tested whether or not its sufficient for track events without going into limp mode?

Cant wait for the rest of the info, the kit looks fantastic - job well done!

Not to mention it just looks clean compared to the Stillen kit which as a lot going on (and a not so aesthetically pleasing intake manifold).

:tup::happydance:
That would be great!

I think thats the SC oil cooler. Rotrex has its own traction oil system including cooler.

Rotrex A/S

GTM, where would your oil cooler go?

+1 on where is the oil cooling... I can see that you moved the oil filter, but don't see any lines coming from that block to a cooler... the oil overheat issue can only get worse with more power, so I'm sure (hoping) you have this addressed

Don't sweat these guys who think this is something that can be done overnight. People with their head on their shoulders know something like this is a long process, an we would rather have a quality part than get it fast.

Exactly what I was thinking.

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Actually, I think the Stillen kit has very straight-forward piping. However, like you said, they don't use the stock engine cover with their new intake manifold, which doesn't make the engine bay look as subtle or as clean. I think the Stillen guys are trying to design their own engine cover to clean things up a bit.

while i know appearance doesn't have anything to do with performance, Stillen would need a BIG engine cover to hide all of that uglyness.

do you really think it is that ugly ? I think both kits have their merits... the stillen intake is at least as attractive as the plastic engine cover that nissan slaps on OEM... and stillen can easily design something to complement the intake and cover the other parts of the engine for those that care... and the GTM kit is stealth, which some folks will like

so back to the very serious issue of oil cooling... where is it, please ? i've instructed liquidz's avatar to keep doing push ups until we get a satisfactory answer! lol

In regards to looks: I dont drive around with my hood up, whatever has the most gains and best quality please.

We will start on the supercharger for the VQ35HR project next week :D

Sam

Honestly yes i think the stillen piping looks like something i would see on homemade turbo .com. While i've not seen it in person, the Y portion looks like it will flow horribly. (could just be the glimpse we get in the video, i'm waiting to see it in person). If you want to continue to compare the two kits my next worry about the stillen kit would be the SC sitting so far away from engine, which seems similar to the previous vortech kits. That usually causes a lot of deflection in the bracket contributing to the belt slippage that everyone complains about. Hopefully they learned a lesson and added a way to stiffen that thing up a bit. Final concern with the stillen kit would be MAF location. i'm waiting to see where they actually put them, but i'm guessing they are going to have to share that main charge pipe. Not sure how the factory ECU is going to like that, or the fact that they are not reading a real intake air temp. Unless they add another IAT sensor post intercooler how will the tune know to change if the temp changes? I mean you can make the most efficient IC set up in the world, but it will change temps to some degree through the course of driving/racing etc, and the ECU should be able to see this to properly compensate. I guess i just expected something truly amazing from stillen especially after all of the talk about custom intake etc. Turned out looking a lot like an older vortech kit, which i really am not a fan of.

As far as the oil cooler, i'm sure GTM has something figured out.

The oil cooler that you see in those pics is for the supercharger system, we did not show the engine oil cooler intentionally so we don't confused people of what the kit will come with.

Now of course we kept the limp in mode in mind. so if you already have bought our oil cooler previously then you will be able to utilize the core and the lines that you already have, we will be offering a supplement kit so you can do so .

And the supercharger kit will be sold with and without an engine oil cooler


Sam

We will be showing some pics on monday with the kit and an engine oil cooler installed, The cooler will behind the crash bar .

Sam

Valid question and we all know how engine oil cooling is key on those cars and it is all counted for .

Sam

YOU SIR, ARE THE MAN
:tup: :happydance::tup::driving:

you seem pretty knowledgeable about all this... mind if i ask what your involvement is in the industry? are you just an owner/driver, or do you have some skin in the game? i'm curious... also, have you posted those concerns over on the stillen thread? i'd like to see how they respond

sounds great, sam.... look forward to watching the details unfold

+1 (as I see it) Stillen might have a hard time getting the car to run right with the 2 MAFs on the same charge tube.... I mean I stand for correction if I'm wrong but don't banks 1 & 2 generally get different data readings and voltages respectively? How can these variables ever be safely tuned out of what the (already sensitive) ECU wants to see?

In my own opinion the problem with Stillen intake is lot bigger then the look of it, It will hinder the performance of the car period .

Sam

now this is getting interesting! guessing you wouldn't say it unless you could back it up... looking forward to seeing some numbers

Indeed.

Can you give me the basics of how the bigger intake will hurt?

^^ me too!

Obsolutely, I have no idea what they were thinking. I will leave it at that for now .

There will be a time and a place for all the factual technical discussions, you can count on it .

Sam

lol... I saw Sam's response and went straight to the bottom to ask the same question... guess I'll just be patient lol, this sucks

Sam is clearly an expert on these platforms, I am very excited to see what he has to say about the stillen system. For me I dont like the water/air cooling system on the stillen.... Im a fan of the Air/Air systems... Then combined with the intake actually housing the cooling fins with water running through it... I just dont like it...... It sounds like trouble waiting to happen.

It seems to me like GTM has the ideal SC setup of the two. However, they are a fair amount further along in the process than Stillen is at this point so I will keep my mouth shut (mostly) until we see numbers from both.

^^^Well, Stillen really doesn't have the best reputation with the VQ35DE guys/gals... It seems like everyone ditches their systems(S/C)...

I haven't seen that yet with GTM products

Travis below is your answer and please don't start the conspiracy theory lol.

Sam

I know this is the GTM thread, but why is everyone ripping apart the stillen kit, before seeing final numbers & tests?

i guess the reputation precedes the product........ *^^* as such, the PERCEIVED quality of the brand name and the product dictates the market value....

i, for one, cannot speak from my personal experience, but from gathering info from forums, ppl dont seem to have any problem w GTM...........

If you have ever witnessed a Kenne Bell vs, whipple war on a mustang forum you know what this could turn into so lets just stop with the stillen comments now. I mean i'm all for starting trouble but it isn't worth it this time.

Kenne Bell FTW :happydance:

I agree. Let's stop the bickering. Both companies will offer great products and both deserve a fair chance.

It is not only about dyno numbers… of course results are important but there are other factors like design and reliability that are equally important .

When we started designing the kit we did not choose the easy way of supercharging the 370z, We chose the design that gives all you can ask for in a force induction kit without any compromises, Good performance,relayblty and factory oem drivability .

Sam

In all seriousness, didn't mean to imply that Sam or anyone on this thread had mal-intent... Sam and team have been nothing but helpful to me for over a year, with advice parts etc... :tiphat: truly SORRY if it came across that way... the folks I referenced raised some good questions... my intention was to stimulate the conversation on the Stillen thread re points made here without sounding like a GTM fanboi...

over/out

Travis it is all good :D

Travis = much more polite than I.