Barring my current situation I believe I was EXTREMELY lucky in getting something out of GTM. I called and changed my mind in mid Deccember of last year, I personally think the train has left the station for anyone else looking to get something other than empty promises. What a shame. Just like our economy GTM's facade can only go on so long. I think I'm one of the last customers to get any FI product in hand...at least here on the forum. If they have your money BE SCARED.

If you keep getting the excuse that the turbos are a week or 2 away for several months there is one of 2 reasons:

1) Back order on the turbos (easy to confirm by contacting one of the 6 distributors in the United States which he has to be buying from Turbochargers | Garrett Distributors | Turbo distributors )

2) No money in the bank to pay for the turbos you already paid for. ( so as new money comes in he buys what he can and completes what he can. Typical Ponzie Scheme, not that he set out to scam anyone but current fiscal situations may prevent him from delivering. Then one or two people back out and want refunds and it sets everyone back weeks, months, years, infinity..)


Im hoping for all your sake it is the first of the 2 scenarios... Hate to break it down but those pretty much are the only 2 reasons this would be dragged out for over a year.

It's the second. We've speculated in one of the other countless "GTM is 6 months late on my order" thread that he's on a cash basis with his suppliers.

Anyone who still has money with them needs to get the ball rolling. You'll be so low on the list of people who get paid out if they go under that you'll never get a dime. If you have to eat a restocking fee, do it. Something's better than nothing. Run, dammit, run.

Like I said, if you take money from someone knowing that you will not be able to deliver said product it may be considered fraud.( you keep taking orders knowing you intend on filing for bankruptcy) Perhaps people should be doing the following things:
1) filing complaints with the California Division of Consumer Affairs for a start
2) filing a complaint with the small claims court in the county your in for the cost of your deposit (usually it costs $15-$25 to file on your own, no lawyer needed.)
3) Seeking guidance from the State Attorney Generals office if there is a large enough loss of money and it can be considered criminal. Im not sure what the specific laws would be in CA.

Yep, Do something before GTM files chapter 11 protection like I suggested earlier !!!

I really hope the guys that want their money back actually get it.

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That sounds all daunting if not outright scary.
It's hard for me to belive a company would take my money in January if they already knew they can never deliver. It's like on one of the Southpark episodes on Economy crash.

No idea how I'd go about a claim from the U.K.

I'd assume you would start by calling your credit card company. GTM had to take your money in January. They had refunds to pay and needed the cash. You need to get an exit strategy.

It's wild to think his money may have paid for my charger from Rotrex :eek:

Start making calls now, don't wait till Tuesday. Call their fraud dept and start your claim NOW.

I paid with PayPal, I know they only cover for 2 months.
But no harm in contacting PayPal anyway

Ouch. There was no way that was ever going to be good. Cal GTM. Call Paypal. Start making noise.

If its with paypal and its under nondelievery they will ask GTM for a tracking number, if not supplied you will get your money back.

Correct but there are time constraints that the Credit card companies and Paypal use. might be 60 or 90 days.

This may not help people currently, but going forward make sure anytime you make a purchase through PayPal use a credit card. They will recommend you don't since they don't want to pay the fees, but it might bite you in the *** down the road if you don't.

I once got scammed on eBay a while back and paid via PayPal along with my American Express. Same thing, empty promises to the point it was too late to open a dispute through PayPal because I fell outside the claim window. It was a reputable vendor at the time that I purchased from before without issue. I figured they weren't going to start scamming people, but apparently they had major financial issues and were digging a hole deeper and deeper. PayPal told me f*ck off as they couldn't do anything, but I went through American express who went after PayPal. Mind you this was over 6 months later. I ended up getting my money back within 2 days along with an apology.

Summary, this is deja vu.

Weird. I had someone build me a custom PC and took them 3 months to build still never got it after 1/2 a year. Called paypal and paypal refunded me my money.

They do have the time constraints, but recently paypal contacted me about a douche camaro customer who stole a set of cores from me. After he got repeatedly banned from the camaro forums, he filed a fraud complaint with paypal 5 months after the transaction saying he never got the product. I had to show proof of delivery, which I of course had, he had even signed for the package and UPS kept that on file.

It was settled in my favor, but they did come after me even though the time limits had expired. I think if its fraud or non-delivery, they will help you out.

I could be wrong..LOL

I see what you did there.

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Lmao @ MMC

Anyone have info on wire transfers with this situation?

Everyone has an address. Show up and ask how things are. Be polite. Pretty much a guarantee on what the situation is or a refund in my experience. I would totally go out of my way to get a refund of thousands of dollars.

Um.... what?

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Future address?

5905 Lake Earl Drive
Crescent City, CA 95531

Pelican Bay State prison ^^^^:icon18::icon18::icon18::icon18:

LOL

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every few weeks, i come over here to see if any progress has been made. and every few weeks...im thankful i never sent any money to Cali.

i think if you wire transferred, your are fuct (sorry fuct, I know he isn't you). thats why all the scammers insist on wire transfers. black, black, no take back!

PayPal dispute
 

Well i now opened a PayPal dispute.
But when I checked back on the status of that dispute it says "Deferred".
And I see no "open" disputes in my resolution center.

I'm not sure whether that means PayPal is gonna look into that case some time later or whether it's declined outright due to me being way too late (I believe 45d limit for disputes) ..

If you're over 45 days limit, you can't claim anything... You're doomed...

Well then my fate is in Sam's hands *gulp*

Wow if you asked that about any of the other FI vendors in here. People's response would be positive with lines like (blank) will take care of you or your in his hands with (blank)

But since it's GTM people are just shaking their heads like you have cancer....

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You should still be able to file against them through paypal
I did a couple months ago bit I had to call paypal and explain
The situation otherwise if filed online it does close the case because of the
45 day limit paypal ended up awarding me the case and refunded my
Money in about two weeks

I thought it was 45 days on paypal. 180 on Credit Cards.

JUst cruious why Sam hasnt come on this thread and assured everyone that everything will be alright, like he would flood the forums back in the days..I guess he is pretty quiet these days.

That is easy, he lost credibility. He words used to be like the Pied Piper around here, but not anymore.

All these people in SoCal that are waiting patiently just makes me shake my head. Get down to GTM and see what's going on, it's your hard earned money someone is playing with.

While I am not part of this group buy, I have visited their "shop" in person and its locked up. You have to have an appointment to get into it unless if you really want to raise hell out front in person I suppose. VERY sketchy looking place, their shop name is missing from the building so only way you'll find it is looking for the Z/G's out in the parking lot.

I had a lot of trouble getting stage 2 turbo cams out of them and now am trying to get the external waste gates conversion kit. Although I am going through CZP to let CZP deal with their crap. FWIW, CZP has been in comms with them very recently. They have to build the waste gate conversion kit, which is pretty dumb as its just pipes and some Tial waste gates, yet they don't stock it I guess. GTM say 3-4 weeks to build and ship, I had to laugh when Coz @ CZP said that.... we'll see. I know GTM better than that, multiply that timeline by 6 and possibly that's the ETA.

It looks like they are still in business, I'll update you guys when I do get my conversion kit out of them for some possible proof that parts still come out of them (if they do, let's hope it's not screwed up).

It's already over a month since ordering the kit through CZP (yes GTM even takes a MONTH to even respond & accept a $1K part order) but I've already anticipated this so nothing surprising there as I've had past dealings. If they go belly up I can get my money back from CZP. Keeping up hope for you guys involved in the group buy!

I hope that is the case, I honestly do.


Why anyone would order anything GTM with cash up front at this point is simply beyond my comprehension.. But to each their own.