Ok and when I got a poorly machined bracket from GTM, they sent me a new one within a week (although Sam did try to blame the shop).

Like I said, their customer relations are awful but everyone has component issues. Don't crap on the product just because the owner acts like a jerk.

End result is the same.

*Edit: I'm not defending their attitude or the fact that they've taken people's money with no real delivery schedule in sight. I'm only saying that what they've produced has been good stuff (at least in my experience).

Um I've bought hundreds of parts from different companies. None have the issue that GTM does with components.

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Such as?

You sound like your actually defending GTM and their shenanigans...Very interesting.. As far as the owner acting like a jerk, that owner is the entire company and if he is a jerk or a con artist the entire company is worthless. Do you have any understanding of the games Sam has played with people over the past 10 years? You're one of the persons who got his product for whatever reason and is happy with it, that's great. But that does nothing for the others who have been taken advantage of and lied to by Sam. :nutswinger:

Bro, do you even read? Start at page 1 and work your way to the last page...

Oh like flux capacitors and 900+ hp doo hickies

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It doesn't matter if the products are top notch if it takes forever to get it with no customer support.

For the guys already with GTM kits it's OK but anybody thinking of GTM will only be dealing with false promises.

I barely got my valve body upgrade back. If anything happens I'm **** out of luck now without any customer support. Have to look at different options.

How long... How many years did it take? I wanna do that too

Not that bad but about 5 months.

You apparently have poor reading comprehension skills. I am not defending Sam (I think he's awful) and I don't condone his business practices either. All I said *very clearly* was that you don't get to **** on the product just because Sam is a tool. As someone pointed out, most of the products are not even GTM's, they source their kit components from elsewhere. I am ok with this because the GTM kit pretty much hands down blows the doors off of the only competing SC kit (Stillen).

The guy who ordered the TT kit who received it beat to hell was absolutely horrendous. I would have gone for the throat immediately if that had been me.

GTM ruined your business and now you're out for revenge. In fact, you appear to have joined these forums specifically to slam GTM. You have a grand total of 9 posts on these forums and all but one of them are on this topic. INTERESTING INDEED. I certainly don't blame you. I'd do the same but did you order a kit from GTM? Yes or no. If the answer is no, then kindly check the attitude at the door. I most certainly do feel for people who lost GTM roulette. I said as much the first time I posted in here. DO YOU EVEN READ BRO? Who talks like that...anyway.

I am relaying the experience I had with GTM (without pulling punches, straight up) and although you are free to disagree with me, you don't get to throw me in the "burn the witch" pile just because my opinion isn't in line with yours.

I think Future370z has it right. As I said in my initial post - which you didn't apparently bother reading, if I had it to do all over again, I most certainly would not give GTM my money. Now that their financial solvency is in question, you would have to be out of your mind to give that guy a dime.

I certainly didn't think they were disreputable when I gave them my "deposit" as I'm sure the rest of the folks in this thread didn't either.

Once again, thanks for validating my hatred for the FI forums. It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion here without this sort of ~forum warrior/internet tough guy~ nonsense.

Actually I probably ordered over $100,000 worth of engines and parts form GTM back in the days, so does that qualify me to stay and talk crap about them? In fact i think Im the most qualified to talk crap about them, I had ordered about 5 engines on a 10K average build cost...The one we ripped apart and had measured by one of our local builders after it smoked after 3 weeks, had ring gaps that were all over the place as well as other things way way off.. So I think Ill stay a bit and liven up the thread, thank you very much..

I too at the time, admittedly bought into the HYPE...Which is all it was, trust me.
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Right. You owned a tune shop that got screwed over by Sam because he's a backstabbing ****. He and 2 other guys (one whose door you dinged and one whose exhaust you lost) ruined your business and you want to make sure you return the favor. Gotcha.

You want to question my motives? I'll do the same, "bro".

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You honestly think I want to ruin Sam or GTM? LOL Apparently he is doing just fine on his own. I dont know what your issue is with me, but Im glad you got the products you paid for from them, I was just spewing some factual truth. As far as my motives, Im not disguising or hiding a damn thing..I despise Sam and everything GTM, but back then when there were all the nutswingers you couldn't say a bad thing about them without it being deleted or getting banned. Years of that, and this very thread and situation is the end result.

I bought into the Hype back then, found out it was all smoke and mirrors, and was silenced when I tried to come forward...

Just a quick question to everyone who ever had a negative experience with GTM and please serious answers here only.

How many of you have heard this phrase from Sam "It was your shop/installer/tuners fault. "......

I'll say that the most disturbing and truest statement is the threads that get cleaned up and factual information deleted as well because a vendor will whine and complain to mods and since they write the checks, they get away with it. Then the newbie who does not do his research will fall in line like a domino. Every car forum does this until the lies and deceit get so blatant mods will abandon said vendor.

Its happened here and it looks like the $hit hit the ceiling which is why you don't see gtm threads being cleaned up (not that I know of).

The icing on the cake is GTM still being a vendor here and allowed to still take peoples money. Numerous members have asked MODS wtf is up with no help or even a response. But they can conveniently clean up VSR threads and still not acknowledge the people here. With no one helping members here, I can't blame GTM. Who wouldn't wanna cash in on this. Screw people over, the admins you pay are on your side and will reward you with more newbies and admins clean up and negative experiences then what's not to love about it????

Hopefully I'll still be here later hahaha.

"spewing some"...thing

You literally joined these forums to crap on GTM and no other reason. Would you like to pretend otherwise?... because your forum history speaks for itself.

My problem with you is that I stated a matter-of-fact, agenda-less opinion which you immediately labeled "INTERESTING" and accused me of "buying into GTM's shennanigans" then when I call out your (pretty obvious) agenda, you backpeddle like mad.

Again, I have no problem with what you're doing. I'd probably do the same thing but if you want to start flinging **** around, don't be surprised when some of it gets on you. I have no dog in this fight. All I was doing was offering anecdotal evidence and you decided to be an *** so here we are I guess :)

See this right here is the problem. I was afraid of this too and honestly, I don't think it's really an issue. GTM is a forum sponsor but you'd better believe AK or whoever is in charge here isn't going to risk the entire forum for one sponsor that pays a pittance every year to advertise. If AK or the armed branch of ~the370z.com~ decide that GTM is hosing their members, their "sponsor" status will be yanked in a hurry. There is no wacky sinister agenda here. Sam is not in cahoots with forum mods/admins. People are still scratching their heads and trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

In the meantime, DO NOT GIVE GTM YOUR MONEY. Wait and see what happens. Either they'll go bankrupt or this will all be quietly swept under the rug if they refund/fill the orders they've taken.

Please don't start implying that the forum is in on this. That's just dumb. They are regular car guys like the rest of us.

So it's late and I'm tired but I'm done with this thread so in summary:

1) If GTM has your money and is being dodgy about returning it, seek legal advice immediately. This is worth hiring a lawyer. The longer you wait, the less likely it is that you'll ever see your money again.

2) GTM has produced quality FI kits in the past. This has no bearing on the present but this isn't vaporware or some pie in the sky ponzi scheme. They have made tons of quality FI kits for many, many cars.

3) Don't give GTM any more money until this is all sorted.

4) Have a fantastic memorial day weekend.

:wtf2: :facepalm:

Now you're just trying to play blind.
It's clearly in black and white. Lots of members are trying to get their money back from gtm after the lies they were fed. Thread was cleaned up in the beginning by mods saying "on topic please" until the crap hit the fan when they finally said "ok guys good luck will keep this thread open". You yourself are saying don't give gtm money til this clears up. And then when it does you want these same guys to go back and give gtm money AGAIN?

Not sure what you're trying to say but I'm not trying to speak "politically" correct. You wanna brown nose that's all on you. But there's plenty of info here to state otherwise. This ain't the first car forum it HAS happened and certainly won't be the last.

No. I said wait and see what happens before you even consider giving them money. If mods were cleaning the thread in the beginning, that's because GTM hasn't done anything like this before. They were jerks and they were SLOW jerks, but no one ever accused them of not delivering product before or taking money in bad faith. This is a whole other can of worms at this point.

Please stop the conspiracy nonsense. No one here stands to profit by "sanitizing" this thread. Clearly, there's a ton of negative, anecdotal evidence here that still stands and hasn't been edited so if the agenda were really to hide GTM's wrongdoings here, all of that would have been edited out already and the people posting it would have been banned/shadowbanned. Use your head.

Ugh. I'm going to bed. If you want to go the wacky "e-lynch party" route, go right ahead I guess.

I didn't mean that the mods are in cahoots with GTM I meant that gtm does whatever they want with no penalty ever handed against them.

With no punishment to what they're doing then why stop? Why hasn't anyone spoken with them or put some kinda restriction in place to stop the repeating pattern?

What do you want? Do you want the US Forum Police Force to come in and do what exactly? Ban them so they can't reply once this all gets sorted out? They haven't posted for a long time what is the difference? or do you want AK to hire a lawyer for you? oh yeah great plan. Either wait it out and hope for the best or do what you need to do IRL to get your money back if thats what you want. I forget his name but a guy came in here already saying he got his car back with a v3 kit on it recently and the two kits are basically identical from what I've been told with the exception of larger turbo's down pipes and manifolds so clearly something is happening with it.

This guy, it's the T25+ option

Where did I back peddle? I hate Sam, I hate GTM...Did I not make that clear? I dont get you dude..Im not hiding or back peddling a thing..Im simply speaking my mind now, since no one was allowed to do so back in the days. But now that the ship is lowly sinking I can finally put it out there years later..I also have no dog in this fight, I dont own a shop I dont plan on owning one ever again, so I have zero to gain. If I can help some newbie not get ripped off by GTM then so be it. Please just stop replying to my posts..

Oh and BTW the only difference between GTM and the Titanic, is that the Titanic had a band...:wtf2:

You really are clueless aren't you? If you havent figured it out by now here is a run down. Back in the day GTM was the largest sponsor of MY350Z.COM, probably a super platinum package that cost $1200 per month or so.(Im just throwing a number out there I cant remember what it cost to sponsor the forums back then) Any negative press was immediately dealt with by the forum moderators, plenty of them were GTM customers at highly discounted rates at the time.I know this for a fact, I have seen it first hand. EVERYTHING and when I tell you EVERYTHING was censored, it truly was.

Had I been allowed to speak my mind back then after discovering the truth about Sam and GTM then a ton of people may have been saved a lot money and this thread would not exist.

The forums are owned mostly by Internet Brands and rely on sponsors and advertising, and are in it to make money. They dont care about the truth, never did and never will.

However if it does come out that GTM was committing fraud and the forums knew about it or were made aware of it and did nothing to stop it, they can be held liable civilly or criminally. Most likely in civil court.

Not THAT is some funny ****!!!:icon18:

Dude, nobody here is defending GTM. You're so far off the deep end that someone being rational comes across to you as defending Sam. And we were all doing just fine here bashing GTM and having a good old time and then you decided to come in here and make it about you. Here's the thing- nobody cares. I'm sure it was a kick in the nuts the Sam and one of your best friends somehow singlehandedly destroyed what was up until then a thriving successful shop :rolleyes:. Because that can happen. One parts supplier in cahoots with a former friend can ruin a business that was doing just fine until then:rolleyes:. You said you've moved on. Prove it. Move on. Moving on isn't joining a forum just to post about how Sam is a retard. News flash- We know. You're not helping anyone. Everything you have to say has been said better by people with far more credibilty than you, your out of business shop sob story and your 15 posts. Go back to wherever you were last week.

Wow! I have not been in here for a while since I assumed it was kept on topic!

But reports have brought me here once again.

I see were just throwing wild allegations about the staff here myself included.

I can assure you that the STAFF has nothing to do with GTM'S dealing and are IN NO WAY condoning their actions or better yet lack of action.

I do agree that some things from their threads were removed and that was soley because they were off topic.

I cant understand when people don't understand when there's a group buy thread thats its fine to start throwing spears towards the op in this case GTM.

And thats the only reason those posts were removed, Had it been a separate complaint thread? Why would it have to be edited or deleted if its on topic, As everyone can see Nothing has been removed or edited since then or action taken against members just stirring the pot.

That should have showed that WE are not again condoning what they are doing.

I can only say that AK as the private owner of this site has been made aware of this, and is in the process of looking at what he's going to do, mind you he has to conduct a thorough investigation before ultimately deciding.

I again can only hope that everyone affected does either get what they paid for or a refund.

The STAFF here does NOT get paid anything as it is purely voluntary and have NO ties to any vendor here.

For those that are here to basically add fuel? You have been given the courtesy to add your input, and as such is appreciated,.

But at this time this will need to STOP as this is not helping the situation anymore so Im respectfully going to ask of those with negative comments whom already have said their piece? To STOP or risk action to be taken.

I would also like to remind everyone here of the classified forum rules that practically everyone apparently avoids reading

Classified Forum Rules:

Last but not least, here is the fine print: The Owner, administrators and moderators (of the370z.com) cannot and will not be held responsible for any transactions made within this forum. We are not responsible for any statements made, sales gone bad, money stolen, part failure, or anything for that matter. YOU SELL AND BUY PRODUCTS IN HERE AT YOUR OWN RISK! (Even if it's from our forum sponsors) We will try our best to resolve a situation with our sponsors and even terminate a vendor or sponsor status if necessary. But it's up to you to check everything before buying.

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This is pretty much all Im going to respond too, I personally want to THANK Member: dmhenderson

For being spot on in his last replies I couldn't have said it better myself. :tiphat:

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who is still in ?

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Bought and fully paid my TT kit in January. Outside group buy, though, which was closed long ago.
Sam recently told me only Turbos and BOV still missing. After 4 months I might onlybe looking at 1 more week or so :excited:

Was offered the MHI successor at the time and went straight with
Garrett GT2860RS 0.86 A/R (Ball bearing) with UpRev
Internal wastegate 0.4bar (6psi) (starting point of my venture)
Aiming for ~500 HP (crank)

still looking for a non-resonated catback with muffler delete pipes
that bolts to cat'd downpipes (coz my U.K. emissions test will actually measure the emissions)

oil cooler, electronic boost controller etc, to follow in due time.
All will be installed solo in my garage (as always)

I hope u do get ur kit but you gotta realize that Sam has used that excuse or similar version of it so many times already. Anyone who has asked has been given the same "just a week or 2 away".

It's interesting he took payment in January of this year.

:iagree: He's been a week or two away since 8/2013.


Fixed.

V1h, you might want to at least have a backup plan. Don't wait so long you can't get your bank involved.

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Chuck, that one had me rooollliiiinnnggg.

It's crazy he gave you that time and your in the UK. While the guys in the states just received an update of 3 to 6 months just last week

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Anyone know whether GTM would be faster at shipping a Supercharger kit instead? Has anyone done such swap for the TT delays?

Infidel made that decision. Still took another six months or so. Your best bet is to get your money back ASAP and go back to the drawing board. Find a plan that doesn't involve GTM. If they end up declaring bankruptcy, you're out all your money.

Agreed!

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