I won't make this year but I'll be there next year for sure. And I'll be at the Texas mile in October for sure

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Sounds good, I may check it out too. A lot of insane cars at TX2K.

Yup I checked the dyno pulls and there's like 10 cars that are more powerful. The 4.11 gears are going to kill me in the mile.

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Totally off topic but my buddy with his 600whp Ariel Atom was getting stomped lol. There are some retarded fast cars there. I have no business going other than a spectator lol.

My buddy owns the first Texas built TT Fast Intentions 370z. It's pushing a little over 600 on a stock block and E85. I'm sure he's having a blast at this weeks event.

*WAS having fun... Until his motor blew up...

^is that a fact?

Wow what a nightmare for the lot of you :shakes head:
I read through this whole thread & my was it interesting, especially the videos from Joe's wife. It's sad to see this type of stuff happen, but it is best when we as a community do warn others.

My dealings with GTM were pretty good when it came to my oil pan. It might have been the fact that I showed up at their door to pay & pick it up back in Oct. And to read that Mike left is not good either.

Reading through all of this, having seen their shop & seeing how things are being handled now, I think Chuck has been correct of his "liquid funds" assessment. Chances are GTM is circling the drain & picking up speed

I wish you all luck in getting a solid resolution to this mess :ugh2:

Yes, please confirm because it hasn't even been a month yet.

Meh, my car is alive and kicking like no ones business.

Did my first oil change at 2000 miles today. Oil is clear and non-fuel smelling, thinking about sending to blackstone, but with the paper towel test(filter pan oil through a paper towel and check for filings), I was metal free.

So I know I am sitting pretty.

Back to editing vids for my review....and selling OEM...ugh....

is your buddy dirtyshoes?

No, I'm talking out of my arse.

Yes, I can find out, but hadn't seen him lately. That sucks to hear. We do have one of the best VQ mechanics in our area though.

Nice

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Can you confirm that, and was it dirtyshoes?

I just said I was talking out of my arse.


Stock block can't take 600WHP for long

The arse speaks a lot

He said he was talking out his arse but I'm still uncertain if it's true or not... seemed like sarcasm to me.

Thick layer of sarcasm, I don't know who the owner is or what car it is.

600 is a lot, but E85 does help tremendously with pushing the limits. I could safely push my car further with it, but I drive my car everyday and don't want to depend on E85.

Where does everyone get this magical 550whp limit? I would not run my car at 600whp daily but I think it can take it as a hot tune.

I don't recall saying 550 anywhere.

600 is for SURE passing it's limits, also, you don't floor it enough to even overheat your car, so I'd hazard to guess that yes, YOU can get away with a tune like that running it at the limit sparingly, but most of us drive hard, especially those who went FI.


Btw, that 550-ish limit comes from experience. Although it's torque, not HP that kills the motor

This! ^^

Every time I took the Z out, it is going into boost. Have to enjoy it.

Torque is definitely to number. I won't feel comfortable with anything over 400ft-lbs on a dynojet

He's a cool dude he posted it on the 370Z FB page. Cars still going strong. But I also believe that it will only take time until something breaks and needs to be upgraded.

It's part of what we do we gain power. We break something cause of said power. We replace said something with a stronger/upgraded version. And then we add MOAR power! LOL

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Just to correct some of you guys. HP is not what limits the longevity of the engine. Its the torque. 500 HP 550HP 600HP.. who cares.. Now say 500 Torque on wheel with stock block then kiss your engine good bye.

TQ was at 551. Just an FYI

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Lol, yeah, that thing ain't gonna last E85 or not

Stop being negative Nancy;)

500-530 ft lb here...not one shred of metal. My bearings are surviving and my rods are straight. 2000 and counting, lets hope some of us can redefine the limits of the VQ.

Detonation will kill your engine ages before you over-stress internals. Throwing 11+ psi from anything in a pump gas is detonation inevitably, one hot day, poor components(IAT and fuel temps too high, poor boost control etc) and a bad batch of fuel will kill a 300ft lb car just as fast as a 500ft lb.

While torque is definitely the break limit, the tune can kill any build all the same. Get a great and efficient kit, get topshelf parts, handle the fuel problems and maybe **** wont break with shitty 350ft lb tunes. Just sayin.

But that's just how I think. I enjoy my >500ft lb...not one hitch yet. The oil doesn't lie friend.

not to hate but i agree with de.50 on this, that much torque may not pop your motor but you did just drop down to a tenth or less of it's lifetime. Then again they may only use it once in a great while. I beat the chit out of my rides and fix or replace(in the case of the beaters) when they go. While the first motor suddenly lost all its oil and died, I know it was heavily worn before that happened, then the second motor was scored up for oil starve tracking, I melted the front rotors and pads under succsesive high speed braking, have gone through two manual transmissions from crunching the synchros racing, and burned up one rear end. I did all that NA If i go turbo its going to be around 400-450 whp and that is where it will stay. How much of a demand the driver places on the car has more to do with its life than any single other thing, but 550 torque is a hell of a lot of repetitive stress to ask of the factory rods that are were designed for HALF of that. It will blow after enough runs through that torque curve but it's a moot point, these guys are baller enough to blow 11k on a turbo kit they will just spend the cash when it comes time to rebuild.

Well said!

It all comes with the territory of any boosted ride. It is part of the deal. This is why I cringe when some want to go forced induction on a "budget"...its a NA car at its core, plan accordingly. I think it should be in everyone's budget who goes this route to begin a built engine plan, slowly yet surely, or just throw the money to the side, nothing lasts forever, and it surely won't last longer doing this.

My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting.

So far so good tho, I have treated it like it owes me money and it has been up to task. My goal was to eliminate any and all weak-points I could, without cracking the block open. I will be one of the few where if it pops, it won't be because of poor install, poor tune or poor equipment. Worst case scenario, bad fuel or random circumstance, best case scenario, I exceeded the stock block limit.

I would never expect the block to last 200k, but I do expect it to exceed 20-40k, anything past that is just icing on the cake.

and what we are all saying is no one has gotten close to 20k at 550 torque, at least no one who actually gets it into boost for more than a few seconds a week. and thinking that spending more money on your kit will make it last longer is wrong, by spending more money you got a higher and sooner torque peak which is just going to make the block problem worse. While not having mistakes like a poorly setup used boost controller that over speeds the turbos to ~40 psi for a little bit will make it last longer, they still havent invented te magic pixie dust that keeps your stock rods from fatigue stressing, and bending.

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We see eye to eye, don't know what you are arguing with. But I won't take the bait. :icon14:

You can reread my post, but I am sure: "My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting." Was pretty clear that I expect the block to be on borrowed time at that number....:tup:

I get it tho, you like to argue...go nuts. I am in the wrong thread anyhow. I believe this is your side of town :driving:

I actually read your post as slightly redundant. I totally read your statement above and understood that, but then I didn't understand the 20-40k estimate... I just assumed you drove like 20-30k a year meaning that once you switched to high boost, it would be gone

hmm thought we were just going with the flow of the thread, some guy from texas is pushing big torque -> we said his motor won't last long -> F.I. owners started going nah we can do it -> I reiterated that that is A LOT to ask of factory components (but if you spent 11k on turbos you probably aren't worried about another 10k for an engine) -> end result prepare to replace your motor if you has that much torques. Didn't think any of it specifically referred to you. You've already said you plan to replace it when it blows, I just pointed out you probably wont get near the 20-40k you said you expect at that power level if you are in the boost often. This isn't really an argument in my opinion more casual debate, but I guess I hurt your feelings?

Thats how I took it too I mean he did say he drives it like it owes him money (and for 11k I assumed that meant he drives it hard and a lot)

Also I'm not on either side of the fence, I'm just not the type to take up torches and burn down one side over internet speculation, The F.I. kit is great but it's too rich for my, and many other peoples blood, does the old GTM kit have some things that could be improved yes, is it crap? no lots of guys have made good trouble free power with it and still do, there are a ton of them out there, and they are priced afford-ably. I get it everyone can express their opinions but a lot of you guys have turned it into a witch hunt, and now apparently everyone has to take a ******* side? what is this the ford vs. chevy camps at bathurst?