Stillen SC - put on your seat belts

elperuano · 11-19-2013, 02:18 PM

Lol.. it's wideband.

Sh0velMan · 11-19-2013, 02:18 PM

elperuano · 11-19-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

This is my answer.

Shamrock · 11-19-2013, 02:42 PM

Thanks Chuck. Useful info. What say you elperanal. Was Chuck right in installing it?

thanks

Bart

TKomodo · 11-19-2013, 03:01 PM

The STILLEN 500 HP Supercharged Nissan 370Z - /TUNED - YouTube
??????

esfourteen · 11-19-2013, 09:28 PM

the 370z has both narrowband and wideband O2 sensors. the widebands don't seem very accurate below 12, so its not very useful when you need to tune for boost.

your first post was hilarious, but by the 2nd page it was incredibly clear you had not done enough research, it went from "im going to prove all of you wrong and makes tons of power with stillen!" to "FI is expensive here, i can get the stillen kit cheap, should I do it and just be happy with whatever i wind up making?"

theres 9 pages here, I'm not sure why, stay NA. if you can barely afford the FI kit, what will do you if you hurt the engine?

Shamrock · 11-20-2013, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamrock

Hi,
I am from Israel and about to embark on the "Stillen Rollercoaster." My first goal is to put all the Stillen bashers and haters to rest. My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down. I have read everypost out there about the Stillen SC and I am here to prove that this a great, powerful reliable kit. My tuner will be MaxTuning here in Israel; whom, to remind you made 555 WHP on my buddie's GTM SC. I'll be hybriding a little by installing the valvebody upgrade from GTM. Any advice would be greatly appreciated; you guys have much more knowleadge than we here. I have talked extensively to Stillen and GTM and they could not have been more helpful. Put on your seat belts and get ready for the build!!

Specs:
2011 370Z 7AT (30,000 km)
Stillen SC (to be installed)
Stillen Headers and Cats
Akropovitch CBE
GTM valvebody upgrade

Its very interesting how people hear what they want to hear or shall I say read what they want to read. I never claimed that I was aiming to reach that 555 horsepower from the GTM kit read and reread my post again and you'll see that all I said was I wanted to reach some nice horsepower and torque numbers. I quote "My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down." I don't understand what's hilarious about this. Almost 90 percent of the posts written about stillen are negative and all I'm saying is that I'd like to prove that the kit is really good and can make nice hp. Thanks anyways for chipping in after page 9 :-)

thanks

Bart

Shamrock · 11-20-2013, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamrock

Its very interesting how people hear what they want to hear or shall I say read what they want to read. I never claimed that I was aiming to reach that 555 horsepower from the GTM kit read and reread my post again and you'll see that all I said was I wanted to reach some nice horsepower and torque numbers. I quote "My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down." I don't understand what's hilarious about this. Almost 90 percent of the posts written about stillen are negative and all I'm saying is that I'd like to prove that the kit is really good and can make nice hp. Thanks anyways for chipping in after page 9 :-)

thanks

Bart

PS I hardly think that "my lack of research" will cause damage to my engine as long as I have a good tune and a good kit.

thanks

Bart

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2013, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock

Its very interesting how people hear what they want to hear or shall I say read what they want to read. I never claimed that I was aiming to reach that 555 horsepower from the GTM kit read and reread my post again and you'll see that all I said was I wanted to reach some nice horsepower and torque numbers. I quote "My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down." I don't understand what's hilarious about this. Almost 90 percent of the posts written about stillen are negative and all I'm saying is that I'd like to prove that the kit is really good and can make nice hp. Thanks anyways for chipping in after page 9 :-)

thanks

Bart

But it can't. It's a mediocre kit that can make mediocre hp, and we've seen as many blown motors with it as other options, so it's not even any safer. The only mitigating factor is that you're getting it cheap. It's not going to get anyone off the fence. We've seen build after build with that kit underperform. It's a substandard option designed for people who have to deal with CARB. You're a special case since you've got some cost issues the rest us don't have to deal with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock

PS I hardly think that "my lack of research" will cause damage to my engine as long as I have a good tune and a good kit.

thanks

Bart

You need to have a long talk with the shop that will be installing and tuning your kit. They're the people that need to be helping you. The Stillen has many cut corners that make it less reliable than other options, so you're already not getting a "good kit". Lack of research can end up with a blown motor, so talk to the tuner and take all of his advice. Don't pick and choose which parts to buy, do everything he tells you.

Shamrock · 11-20-2013, 08:48 AM

Chuck, your advice is always solid. I probably trust the people here on the forum more than the tuner (lack of experience.) The mechanic I trust fully; however, he doesn't know of the shortcuts you speak of. This knowledge is gained through experience. I am constantly being told to do research. I thought that forum chat was part of it; however, many people are grudgingly giving it. What are the shortcuts you speak of?

thanks

Bart

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2013, 08:55 AM

We've explained the issues. The maf piping. The intercooler. The undersized injectors. The canned tune. The blower itself is a good unit. It's all of the Stillen stuff around it that makes it underperform.

JWillis72 · 11-20-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

We've explained the issues. The maf piping. The intercooler. The undersized injectors. The canned tune. The blower itself is a good unit. It's all of the Stillen stuff around it that makes it underperform.

Chuck can I ask what you mean by undersized injectors? Are you talking about for trying to make 500+whp? I'm asking because we didn't need larger injector for the tune on my car.

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

Chuck can I ask what you mean by undersized injectors? Are you talking about for trying to make 500+whp? I'm asking because we didn't need larger injector for the tune on my car.

What are your idcs? They use smallish injectors. Running a too small injector at a high idc is not as good as running the next size up injector at a more reasonable idc.

raymondo510 · 11-20-2013, 09:12 AM

I just need to move out of California...

Sh0velMan · 11-20-2013, 09:33 AM

yeah a local guy I know has the Stillen kit and they were running 95%+ IDC's on the injectors that came with the kit during the tuning process so they couldn't maximize power.

He had to 'upgrade' to 600CC injectors, which is absurd since the stockers are ~400CC.. how tiny of an injector did Stillen include??? lol

11-19-2013, 02:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
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11-19-2013, 09:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
esfourteen A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: LI, NY Posts: 1,375 Drives: 40th TT Rep Power: 20	the 370z has both narrowband and wideband O2 sensors. the widebands don't seem very accurate below 12, so its not very useful when you need to tune for boost. your first post was hilarious, but by the 2nd page it was incredibly clear you had not done enough research, it went from "im going to prove all of you wrong and makes tons of power with stillen!" to "FI is expensive here, i can get the stillen kit cheap, should I do it and just be happy with whatever i wind up making?" theres 9 pages here, I'm not sure why, stay NA. if you can barely afford the FI kit, what will do you if you hurt the engine? elperuano, Chuck33079 and Wonka2581 like this. __________________ Build Thread \| GTM TT Install Thread \| Engine Build Thread

11-20-2013, 08:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29540	We've explained the issues. The maf piping. The intercooler. The undersized injectors. The canned tune. The blower itself is a good unit. It's all of the Stillen stuff around it that makes it underperform. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-20-2013, 09:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
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11-20-2013, 09:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 22	yeah a local guy I know has the Stillen kit and they were running 95%+ IDC's on the injectors that came with the kit during the tuning process so they couldn't maximize power. He had to 'upgrade' to 600CC injectors, which is absurd since the stockers are ~400CC.. how tiny of an injector did Stillen include??? lol __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

11-19-2013, 02:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 30	Lol.. it's wideband.

11-19-2013, 02:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
Shamrock Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Israel Posts: 215 Drives: 370z 2011 AT White Rep Power: 15	Thanks Chuck. Useful info. What say you elperanal. Was Chuck right in installing it? thanks Bart

11-19-2013, 03:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
TKomodo Base Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 197 Drives: 2011 370z Sport Rep Power: 15	The STILLEN 500 HP Supercharged Nissan 370Z - /TUNED - YouTube ??????

11-20-2013, 08:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
Shamrock Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Israel Posts: 215 Drives: 370z 2011 AT White Rep Power: 15	Chuck, your advice is always solid. I probably trust the people here on the forum more than the tuner (lack of experience.) The mechanic I trust fully; however, he doesn't know of the shortcuts you speak of. This knowledge is gained through experience. I am constantly being told to do research. I thought that forum chat was part of it; however, many people are grudgingly giving it. What are the shortcuts you speak of? thanks Bart

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