Stillen Supercharger estimates???

racerxj17 · 08-26-2009, 12:53 AM

i agree. they probably lost a TON on customers announcing so early. makes it seem like they are, well, not for real........or cant finish the job. based on their old s/c systems, i think ill be waiting for vortech.

JoeD · 08-27-2009, 05:26 PM

Frankly, after looking at the collection of verified 1/4-mile times of 350Z on the other forum...I am not impressed. The only Stillen supercharged Z on the list, an '03 6-speed "Stage 2", ran a 13.22 @ 110 MPH. The rest of the supercharged cars aren't anything to rave about, either. They are running on average mid to high-12s at 110-113 MPH...hardly impressive for a sports-car nowadays, and not impressive at all considering the cost/work/headache of such extensive modification.

It seems to me that if you want a fast Z, you put up the money (and headache) of building the motor and going with a proper turbo setup, or stay content with minor bolt-ons. Staying in that middle-ground looks like nothing more than a complete waste of time.

I'll eat my words when I start to see 370Zs running 116+ MPH with a supercharger, bolt-ons, and a tune.

Red370 · 08-27-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Frankly, after looking at the collection of verified 1/4-mile times of 350Z on the other forum...I am not impressed. The only Stillen supercharged Z on the list, an '03 6-speed "Stage 2", ran a 13.22 @ 110 MPH. The rest of the supercharged cars aren't anything to rave about, either. They are running on average mid to high-12s at 110-113 MPH...hardly impressive for a sports-car nowadays, and not impressive at all considering the cost/work/headache of such extensive modification.

It seems to me that if you want a fast Z, you put up the money (and headache) of building the motor and going with a proper turbo setup, or stay content with minor bolt-ons. Staying in that middle-ground looks like nothing more than a complete waste of time.

I'll eat my words when I start to see 370Zs running 116+ MPH with a supercharger, bolt-ons, and a tune.

Not everybody wants a supercharger for the track. I want one for daily driven power thats reliable. A TT will not be good for either. And keep in mind a 600whp G37 ran a mid/low 12 second pass. Wont be easy breaking 11's, even TT'ed. And last time I checked, low 12's aint no slouch by any means. Also, understand that the VQ37 is a more responsive, higher displacement engine than the DE, that same Stg 2 kit would make more power on the 370. Also, not everybody can throw around 20 Gs which would be approximate total cost for a TT build.

JoeD · 08-27-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Not everybody wants a supercharger for the track.

I never mentioned anything about a track. I would never track a car with forced-induction that came NA from the factory.

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Originally Posted by Red370

And keep in mind a 600whp G37 ran a mid/low 12 second pass. Wont be easy breaking 11's, even TT'ed. And last time I checked, low 12's aint no slouch by any means.

Which is why I'm not fixated on E.T. as it is relatively meaningless to me. What does matter however is trap-speed, where the data is equally as unimpressive.

I agree that not everyone has $20K+ to throw at a proper turbo setup, and even if they do...I'm sure they have more sense than to spend that much on engine-modifications when they could have bought a faster car to begin with (LOL...like one just as fast as the end-product in bone-stock trim, for less than G37/370 MSRP + $20K). Still, going forced-induction, even with a kit marketed as "relaible" which only nets you an extra <80 RWHP makes little sense to me. From what I've seen thus far, the gains from SC setups do not warrant the cost when you compare it a bolt-on car.

Brazilbro · 08-26-2009, 12:55 AM

Has anyone consitered that Stillen would do a Twin Charger system for the 370? I was looking at the TT/TS GT-R and I would think the TS would work good with the DTB's

rednek01 · 08-26-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro

Has anyone consitered that Stillen would do a Twin Charger system for the 370? I was looking at the TT/TS GT-R and I would think the TS would work good with the DTB's

I highly doubt that will be the case. There is no reason to design a system with twins that would equal more tubing, more heat under the engine bay and add the cost of a second head unit, mounting bracket and supporting hardware not to mention there's no room for it!

It is much more effective to either integrate it into the manifold like the ZR1, cobras, gt500's, or cast an y pipe that makes the DTB's feed a single inlet for the supercharger

Valentino · 08-26-2009, 04:34 AM

no twin supercharges PLZ

RCZ · 08-26-2009, 09:54 AM

Well STILLEN didnt announce it per se, they just posted they had something in development when this thread came up.

Hi-TecDesigns · 08-26-2009, 10:12 AM

It's a tough call for businesses, especially ones that are in such a fickle environment as cars. If businesses don't let people know they're at least working on a solution, customers will completely ignore them and some other company will steal their thunder (and profit). If businesses announce they're working on a solution but take a long time in achieving it, customers get cranky, call foul or vaporware, and the business loses customers/profit. It's a fine line, and I don't envy them having to ride it...

That said, if you're going to announce a solution is being worked on, it is generally in your best interest to give people a 10,000 foot view of the schedule and any major roadblocks you're hitting. If the product is in active development (not a sideline), you should be able to say if you're 1 month, 3 months, 6 months out from a boxed solution. I can understand being vague on pricing, but that should be announced with a +/-10% window within the last month of development... at that point, you know what all of the parts/labor cost, you're simply fine tuning.

2fast4thelaw · 08-26-2009, 11:15 AM

I think they are running into some big issues and are still trying to figure them out. This would explain the closed mouth, cloak and dagger condition we are all experincing from them and not to mention the lack of even a long shot of a release date. I don't see how they can meet those goals given the low clearance of the 370 hood.

I heard from one of the Stillen sales reps that the main goal was to get the supercharger to fit under the stock hood. Second goal was to allow Stillen mods such as the Gen3 CAI to connect up to it. This was all I was told, nothing else such as power output or price.

mrmixitup · 08-27-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 2fast4thelaw

I think they are running into some big issues and are still trying to figure them out. This would explain the closed mouth, cloak and dagger condition we are all experincing from them and not to mention the lack of even a long shot of a release date. I don't see how they can meet those goals given the low clearance of the 370 hood.

I heard from one of the Stillen sales reps that the main goal was to get the supercharger to fit under the stock hood. Second goal was to allow Stillen mods such as the Gen3 CAI to connect up to it. This was all I was told, nothing else such as power output or price.

So, hood clearance and strut bar issues? Basically the same problems as the 350Z kit? And why is this such a big deal again?

RCZ · 08-27-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2fast4thelaw

I think they are running into some big issues and are still trying to figure them out. This would explain the closed mouth, cloak and dagger condition we are all experincing from them and not to mention the lack of even a long shot of a release date. I don't see how they can meet those goals given the low clearance of the 370 hood.

I heard from one of the Stillen sales reps that the main goal was to get the supercharger to fit under the stock hood. Second goal was to allow Stillen mods such as the Gen3 CAI to connect up to it. This was all I was told, nothing else such as power output or price.

This is how rumors get started...

I heard that development is moving better than expected... I wish I knew more, but they are staying tight lipped with this one.

Snakes709 · 08-27-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

This is how rumors get started...

I heard that development is moving better than expected... I wish I knew more, but they are staying tight lipped with this one.

that is true...i heard big foot is testing the 370 with the supercharger

jmlenz · 08-26-2009, 11:53 AM

^^^interesting. Cant imagine how in the hell the intake would be in the stock location though with a supercharger?

Mike · 08-26-2009, 11:54 AM

I guess it could if they replace the plenum with an integrated supercharger unit, like on the ZR1.

08-26-2009, 12:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
racerxj17 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 555 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 19	i agree. they probably lost a TON on customers announcing so early. makes it seem like they are, well, not for real........or cant finish the job. based on their old s/c systems, i think ill be waiting for vortech. __________________ 2009 PW Sport/Touring/Nav M6 Stillen Gen 3 Intake/CBE/Berk HFC/BC BR Coil over/Phillips 6500k/Hotchkis Sways/Stillen oil cooler/B&M SS

08-26-2009, 10:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
Hi-TecDesigns Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Glenelg, MD Posts: 146 Drives: 370 Rdstr AT7 BkChry Rep Power: 17	It's a tough call for businesses, especially ones that are in such a fickle environment as cars. If businesses don't let people know they're at least working on a solution, customers will completely ignore them and some other company will steal their thunder (and profit). If businesses announce they're working on a solution but take a long time in achieving it, customers get cranky, call foul or vaporware, and the business loses customers/profit. It's a fine line, and I don't envy them having to ride it... That said, if you're going to announce a solution is being worked on, it is generally in your best interest to give people a 10,000 foot view of the schedule and any major roadblocks you're hitting. If the product is in active development (not a sideline), you should be able to say if you're 1 month, 3 months, 6 months out from a boxed solution. I can understand being vague on pricing, but that should be announced with a +/-10% window within the last month of development... at that point, you know what all of the parts/labor cost, you're simply fine tuning. __________________ http://hi-tecdesigns.com/images/pict...on%20Small.gif 2000 S2000 Brickyard Red Metallic w/ Romanesque Crimson Kandy, custom everything else

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Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	I guess it could if they replace the plenum with an integrated supercharger unit, like on the ZR1. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

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