GTM Performance Engineering: MHI Twin Turbo Official Release

DOOMMONKEY777 · 12-18-2013, 11:04 PM

OMFG STFU, just STFUu, u little effing kids, n weit 4ur toy to be completed jeeessshh

Alkatraz · 12-18-2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

What that ruling may be depends on THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED.

Finally I can agree with you!
At long last we have gone from your initial statements....

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

If the restocking fee was challenged in court (not worth the time, just saying), the contract would be voided and a full refund would be ordered.

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

There would be 1 of 2 conclusions. Either it would be thrown out or GTM would talk their way into a specific performance date, which would be just as good for most people who still want the kit.

....to what would actually happen. It could go either way. At least you got some objectivity in there eventually!

As for paying the rest of the invoice and then demanding performance from GTM, I don't think that this would work either. GTM cannot deliver something that is not yet ready and which did not have any specific delivery time outlined. Again it would need to be looked at by a judge and then a decision made as to what a 'reasonable' length of time is.

As per my Fast Intentions example, you cannot put down a non-refundable deposit on a product that you know for a fact is not yet available and has no exact delivery. Then change your mind before the product is ready and in order to get your deposit back, make full payment and say "well, they don't have the product available so I want all of my money back!". You go into the deal knowing that if you want to get out, it will cost a certain amount.

The only variable is what length of time would be considered reasonable by a judge for the product to be ready. In GTM's case a judge might say that the current delays are excessive or that another 6 months would be reasonable, who knows.

Alkatraz · 12-18-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777

OMFG STFU, just STFUu, u little effing kids, n weit 4ur toy to be completed jeeessshh

But waiting is so boring DOOMMONKEY! Arguing is MUCH more entertaining....If i wasn't doing this then I would be (god forbid!) working.

Diabel · 12-19-2013, 07:57 AM

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I will now give some examples of several products which were offered by retailers under a layaway scheme but which were not yet finished or released.

Apple Iphone 5 (probably 2, 3, 3s, 4, 4s as well)
Samsung Galaxy S4
Playstation 4
Xbox

There are about 5-6 people here who should go and start a 'GTM sucks big hairy goats balls' thread and then they can have a wonderful time together. I for one would probably check it daily just for a laugh.

I can see you like an examples, so put it this way, look around here and open your eyes please, you are here alone like a little australian sheep among the wolves, which try to prove something hopeless and ridiculous. Because of the good exchange rate you made a good deal but everyone else didn't. They frozen their money for months...

BlkNismo · 12-19-2013, 08:04 AM

The restocking issue has been discussed to death, can we move on guys??????

on side note, anybody know how much additional coolant the csf radiator holds?

fuct · 12-19-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Alkatraz

Thanks Sam!

I'll stop filling your thread with crap now!

if you are going to sell 100 turbo kits and 10 people want out of the GB then hell take the hit GTM and give them the full refund....

Alkatraz · 12-19-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Diabel

I can see you like an examples, so put it this way, look around here and open your eyes please, you are here alone like a little australian sheep among the wolfs, which try to prove something hopeless and ridiculous. Because of the good exchange rate you made a good deal but everyone else didn't. They frozen their money for months...

I cant say anything to that. I look around and all i see are 'wolves' with an axe to grind against GTM and either no decent answers to my points or no skin in the game. Of the people who have made a post disagreeing with any of my arguements, how many are actually involved in the group buy?

If you are so convinced that my points are 'hopeless and ridiculous (sic)' then explain why. The fact that you have moved onto me somehow getting a good deal and everyone else not because of the exchange rates goes to show that you either haven't read or haven't understood anything that I have posted. That has never even been the topic of discussion. You have moved back to complaining about the delays for some reason.

The exchange rate changing doesn't help me at all. I want a TT kit and have to wait around for this one to be ready. End of story. How is my money not frozen? Yes, i would make a couple of hundred if I cancelled but then what? The couple of hundred would be eaten up in exchange fees and no one else has a TT kit that is guaranteed to fit a RHD G37.

Cell · 12-19-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Alkatraz

Which is......?
I asked you that before.....6 months? 12 months? 5 years?

I have openly invited someone to show me any laws that govern this particular area but no one has responded. It's easy to make statements about what would/should happen without providing any precedent.

Someone mentioned that there was a $1000 non-refundable deposit for the Fast Intentions TT kit pre-order. I don't whether this is true or not as i have only followed that thread very sporadically (and full of jealousy I should add :P). For someone who decided to pull out of their Fast Intentions TT kit pre-order (before the release date was actually announced), would your advice be that they should request their $1000 back?

If Tony said 'No. We had an agreement and I have now invested money into a kit that you no longer want. The $1000 is to cover my costs and you were well aware of this fact when you signed up.' Would your suggestion be for the purchaser to sue Tony and Fast Intentions?

I don't want to turn this into a vendor vs vendor situation, it's just a perfect comparison.

I am not sure how you guys do things in Australia but our Government doesn't govern something this small.

I don't need to repeat myself with my reasoning it won't sink in for you.

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Originally Posted by Alkatraz

I cant say anything to that. I look around and all i see are 'wolves' with an axe to grind against GTM and either no decent answers to my points or no skin in the game. Of the people who have made a post disagreeing with any of my arguements, how many are actually involved in the group buy?

If you are so convinced that my points are 'hopeless and ridiculous (sic)' then explain why. The fact that you have moved onto me somehow getting a good deal and everyone else not because of the exchange rates goes to show that you either haven't read or haven't understood anything that I have posted. That has never even been the topic of discussion. You have moved back to complaining about the delays for some reason.

The exchange rate changing doesn't help me at all. I want a TT kit and have to wait around for this one to be ready. End of story. How is my money not frozen? Yes, i would make a couple of hundred if I cancelled but then what? The couple of hundred would be eaten up in exchange fees and no one else has a TT kit that is guaranteed to fit a RHD G37.

I was originally in the group buy and even asked for a invoice. I believe I still have it too. I have nothing against GTM and am not trying to attack them. I think it is unreasonable for them to charge this fee. Not only do I think this but many others do too.

Everyone has given you decent answers. You are just unwilling to accept it.

Tb09z · 12-19-2013, 11:41 AM

Asked for refund almost three weeks ago quickly received email telling me that refund check will be less 25%.... Then no word since ??? Keep my 25% just give me the rest or answer email something c'mon son ! Real quick to accept money but very slow refunding imagine that

m3chhawk · 12-19-2013, 11:45 AM

Out of curiousity, why would anyone sign a layaway contract with a 25% restocking/cancellation/wtf fee if GTM didn't require any money whatsoever to get in on the reduced pricing?

tower74 · 12-19-2013, 12:50 PM

Wow. This has turned into a complete train wreck.

I'm just curious to see a complete kit and final numbers.

Chuck33079 · 12-19-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tower74

I'm just curious to see a complete kit

So is everyone else here

tower74 · 12-19-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

So is everyone else here

I thought the sarcasm was thick enough from my original post but I guess not.

Chuck33079 · 12-19-2013, 01:05 PM

We're so bored it's become a seminar in contract law

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Dzel · 12-19-2013, 02:26 PM

Your HONOR the forum clearly stated!!!

LOL

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12-18-2013, 11:04 PM	#2446 (permalink)
DOOMMONKEY777 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Crooklyn Posts: 1,008 Drives: 370Z 6psd-sport-pkg Rep Power: 20	OMFG STFU, just STFUu, u little effing kids, n weit 4ur toy to be completed jeeessshh TerribleONE, fuct, Presto and 2 others like this. __________________ Kids don't do Drugs, Drugs are bad, so let the professional druggies do Drugs for you. 537whp/496lb/tq@8-9PSI 93 octane

12-19-2013, 08:04 AM	#2450 (permalink)
BlkNismo Track Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 614 Drives: Nismo Rep Power: 14	The restocking issue has been discussed to death, can we move on guys?????? on side note, anybody know how much additional coolant the csf radiator holds? 09nismo498 and Dzel like this.

12-19-2013, 11:45 AM	#2455 (permalink)
m3chhawk Track Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Kansas City Posts: 878 Drives: '11 370Z SPT 6MT BLK Rep Power: 24	Out of curiousity, why would anyone sign a layaway contract with a 25% restocking/cancellation/wtf fee if GTM didn't require any money whatsoever to get in on the reduced pricing? Dzel, elperuano, tower74 and 3 others like this. __________________ F.I. CF CBE \| Avant Garde M310 \| BC BR's \| ONEighty \| Status \| EvoR \| Stillen \| Whiteline \| B&M \| Bespoke Details Boosted Performance \| Precision Turbo \| Tial \| HKS \| Innovate Motorsports \| Bosch \| Treadstone \| Walbro \| UpRev \| Depo

12-19-2013, 12:50 PM	#2456 (permalink)
tower74 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 1,597 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Camaro Rep Power: 369	Wow. This has turned into a complete train wreck. I'm just curious to see a complete kit and final numbers. gbrettin and Dzel like this.

12-19-2013, 01:05 PM	#2459 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	We're so bored it's become a seminar in contract law . Dzel, elperuano, tower74 and 3 others like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

12-19-2013, 11:41 AM	#2454 (permalink)
Tb09z Base Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Louisiana Posts: 190 Drives: 09-370-blue -m6 Rep Power: 12	Asked for refund almost three weeks ago quickly received email telling me that refund check will be less 25%.... Then no word since ??? Keep my 25% just give me the rest or answer email something c'mon son ! Real quick to accept money but very slow refunding imagine that

12-19-2013, 02:26 PM	#2460 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 23	Your HONOR the forum clearly stated!!! LOL Sent with TapAhoe tower74, COSMO and Alkatraz like this. __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

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