I guess for the same reason that anyone uses layaway, they didnt have the money up front and knew that they wouldn't have it all anytime soon.

Its easy to say in hindsight that it was a bad idea but if they expected the kits to be ready within a few months of when they ordered, then it was possibly a good idea. Plus if they had started paying and then were able to make the final payment when the kits were ready then they wouldnt be at the bottom of the queue for delivery.

Maybe they knew that if they didnt start paying it off now then they would end up spending their money on something else whilst waiting and miss out completely.

Are you serious???

I find it hard to believe that in the US there are zero laws which govern trade practises. In Aus we have the 'trade practises act' and 'consumer protection act'. There are probably others but they are the two that come to mind.

In a country that requires a jar of peanuts to have a 'Warning! May contain traces of nuts' label on the side, i highly doubt that there are no laws governing layaway practises at all.

In fact, 30 seconds on google has just shown me that California has very specific laws when it comes to layaway.......the defence rests.

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Credit where credit is due - that was hilarious! Thanks for the laughs!

There is a reason that act is vague. It is vague so the person writing the contract can put the details in. Like I said before if the terms are not defined in the contract the customer still wins. Case would still be dealt with in civil court. It will not be "u.s. vs GTM" if it is "u.s. vs GTM" then you know the government cares.

This stuff really is too small for them to care about it.

In the end it still goes back to what I have been saying. 51% in civil court wins. Ambiguity in a contract favors the customer.

A real good contract will define all terms to its exact detail. I have yet to see the actual contract so I will still say that the people still deserve a refund.



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This small part basically sums up my entire arguement.

So many people jumped on this without knowing all the facts with the sole intent of slandering GTM. That is the only reason that I argued it this far. Everyone disagreed with me that there was potentially nothing legally wrong with a restocking fee and jumped on the 'bash GTM' bandwagon.

The fact that you are happy to lay blame and make an absolute decision that a refund is due without even knowing all of the details, just rams this point home. Even though I am one of the people currently being screwed over by the delays, I am sill able to look at this objectively and say that GTM have potentially done nothing wrong. I would have done things differently but in the end that is completely irrelevant.

As long as you have proven all this to yourself, nothing else really matters.

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And once again, the entire point has been missed....

I've had enough, I cant compete with such amazing sarcasm skills. I'll leave you guys to sue each other over fatal peanut overdoses.

P.S. how are things going for you over in the Carb Certified Supercharger thread?

What ever happened to your "F$&k you all, F$&K GTM, F$&K this forum, F$&K the police' comment...

I thought you said that you were done?

Lol f$&k the police.

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Yea Dzel did u get in trouble for that? I got a warning I think either for saying "grow a pair" or "sad". How are u still able to post? If I got a warning for that you should have been banned for life.

Uh oh! I probably just dropped myself right in it by reposting then.

Ak doesn't make an appearance just for any one.

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I brought my point up to ak and he took care of it. He along with trip saw my point and got you guys a long awaited update.

The fact that they didn't try to ban me reinstated my faith in this community and the forum.

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With that said Alk you've single handedly turned this thread into a pissing match. Keep in mind the last 6 months on this thread I along with Spohn and Baer are the ones that kept this thread alive. Not with bickering with questions, plans, and updates that we would receive through GTM.

Now have you noticed how the dynamic of this thread has turned since we've backed out?

I'll make it easy for everyone if you went with the lay away contract that has no date of delivery and you choose to back out. You WILL pay the restocking fees. If you signed no such thing and paid in full you'll get your full refund back. No arguing, no pissing contest. That's just how it is. Customer service sucks... yeah we know that.

But I'm still very excited to see this kit distributed and applied. I can't wait to see the rewards of the guys patience that stuck it out.

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