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Chuck33079 · 12-04-2012, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NitrousZ34

Are you positive it won't work? I have an extra Apex'i one that i wanted to put on my Z when i get it.

I'm not positive it won't work, but I'm almost positive it's unnecessary. GTM uses oil and water cooled turbos. Since the turbos are mounted so low, the hot coolant should continue to rise after shutdown and draw colder coolant through the turbo. If you're running good oil and changing it often, you most likely won't see oil coking in the lines and turbo. But, if you've already got the turbo timer, it won't hurt anything to put it on.

BlkNismo · 12-04-2012, 01:15 PM

OP, are you planning on using an oil pan spacer or greddy oil pan?

Also, is there currently anyone running either gtm or cfx radiator with an aftermarket gauge? Any noticable temp reduction?

How about fuel return?
I know GTM and AAM offer kits.

theDreamer · 12-04-2012, 01:21 PM

I had one of the first CSF rads and monitored temps, I believe I saw about a 10 degree drop under heavy street use. I would easily on a daily basis break past 210 and now I am just under or over 200 depending on the weather & driving.
I will hit 210+ if I am sitting for a long time or in horrible traffic but the past year I have avoided it mostly with some changes in my routes I go home.

Actually it is better than that: CSF Radiator: Reviews
I use to hit 220-240 and now I see 200-205.

NitrousZ34 · 12-05-2012, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I'm not positive it won't work, but I'm almost positive it's unnecessary. GTM uses oil and water cooled turbos. Since the turbos are mounted so low, the hot coolant should continue to rise after shutdown and draw colder coolant through the turbo. If you're running good oil and changing it often, you most likely won't see oil coking in the lines and turbo. But, if you've already got the turbo timer, it won't hurt anything to put it on.

Ok sorry I failed to mention I wasn't talking about the OP's wanted setup. I had one on my 350 even though it was N/A but i was planning to install a turbonetics single turbo later on down the road. Now that i have an extra turbo timer, I wanted to throw it on the 370 even though it would be N/A. I know its not needed but its always good to let a vehicle cool down after a nice track day or something, or when its hot out. Thats just my personal preference.

leighspped · 12-05-2012, 04:34 AM

so have you taken it to the track? if so how hot did that get?.... people keep telling me if i want FI and to track i will need low boost supercharger set up but id much rather be above 450+wtq which i haven't seen superchargers reach without a lotta meth and good conditions

so i have have to bump up to the GTM 70mm rad kit...... but then id have to worry about over cooling and getting up to operating temps... oh and i turbo the plan will most likely be a second smaller oil cooler

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

I had one of the first CSF rads and monitored temps, I believe I saw about a 10 degree drop under heavy street use. I would easily on a daily basis break past 210 and now I am just under or over 200 depending on the weather & driving.
I will hit 210+ if I am sitting for a long time or in horrible traffic but the past year I have avoided it mostly with some changes in my routes I go home.

Actually it is better than that: CSF Radiator: Reviews
I use to hit 220-240 and now I see 200-205.

SS_Firehawk · 12-05-2012, 04:50 AM

GTM has my car for the Twin SC kit. It will be running with PPE LTH's and M370. I mention it because I see you have F.I's LTH's Not sure if it will help TQ with the SC's like it did NA. If anything, just get larger injectors, pump and run a map for E85. It will definitely allow you to run much more aggressive timing and bump up the power. E85 runs cooler to boot. For the track, I would imagine a SC would be easier to run considering it's linear power development. A turbo application would need to hit low in the rpm range to prevent the Jekyll and Hyde behavior of being on and off boost.

leighspped · 12-05-2012, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

GTM has my car for the Twin SC kit. It will be running with PPE LTH's and M370. I mention it because I see you have F.I's LTH's Not sure if it will help TQ with the SC's like it did NA. If anything, just get larger injectors, pump and run a map for E85. It will definitely allow you to run much more aggressive timing and bump up the power. E85 runs cooler to boot. For the track, I would imagine a SC would be easier to run considering it's linear power development. A turbo application would need to hit low in the rpm range to prevent the Jekyll and Hyde behavior of being on and off boost.

yes that would be a great way to go if i could get e85........

my understanding is to keep boost in real control you use EBCS with both and internal and external waste-gate, please do let me know if im wrong.

what made you go twin SC?

SS_Firehawk · 12-05-2012, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leighspped

yes that would be a great way to go if i could get e85........

my understanding is to keep boost in real control you use EBCS with both and internal and external waste-gate, please do let me know if im wrong.

what made you go twin SC?

I really wanted to keep my my entire exhaust intact haha. I think I blew almost $3k on it. Well that's only part of the reason.

I was going to go with BP's kit because it's something I might be able to tackle, the price was good and it looked like a quality system. It would force me to put the stock headers back on, and remove my Y pipe W/HFC. Definitely not deal breakers, but a major inconvenience.

My first original choice was GTM's twin SC kit, even with it being more expensive. It was less intrusive on what I already invested. It was much more expensive, but I still had a lot of room to grow with it. Then it fell out of contention when I didn't receive any replies for 10 weeks.

Then got an email from GTM saying they want to put it in my car and offered me an unbelievable deal. I couldn't pass it up. So as of yesterday, my car is now at their shop till I get home next August. They have plenty of time to make it perfect. I have a lot of the details in my Journal (link in my sig). It may help you out

theDreamer · 12-05-2012, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leighspped

so have you taken it to the track? if so how hot did that get?.... people keep telling me if i want FI and to track i will need low boost supercharger set up but id much rather be above 450+wtq which i haven't seen superchargers reach without a lotta meth and good conditions

so i have have to bump up to the GTM 70mm rad kit...... but then id have to worry about over cooling and getting up to operating temps... oh and i turbo the plan will most likely be a second smaller oil cooler

I have not had a chance to track with CSF+SC, school is my life along with working full time.
Plus even with the CSF radiator I can bet with FI I will need something "extra" which I am looking into. My plans are venting the front fender liners to allow air to flow through so no hot air stays stagnant, maybe bumping up my oil cooler size (currently at a 25 row), adding the greddy oil pan and from that seeing how well I do.

Another idea someone sent me was taking the Stillen brake duct kit and instead of point it at the brakes using it to bump air directly onto the oil cooler or something.

JDMFairlady21 · 12-05-2012, 10:57 AM

we didn't get a chance to TT our track car last year and/ or the previous year... but I can assure you that a 20min session with a full bolt on n/a Z, oil temps were getting ridiculous, even with a 34 row cooler already. but oddly enough, didn't see water temp go too crazy.

the car eventually ended up with twin 34 row oil coolers, and an upgraded CSF radiator.

the above would be necessary to REALLY track a TT 370z for sure.

12-04-2012, 01:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	I had one of the first CSF rads and monitored temps, I believe I saw about a 10 degree drop under heavy street use. I would easily on a daily basis break past 210 and now I am just under or over 200 depending on the weather & driving. I will hit 210+ if I am sitting for a long time or in horrible traffic but the past year I have avoided it mostly with some changes in my routes I go home. Actually it is better than that: CSF Radiator: Reviews I use to hit 220-240 and now I see 200-205. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram Last edited by theDreamer; 12-04-2012 at 01:25 PM.

12-05-2012, 04:50 AM	#21 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	GTM has my car for the Twin SC kit. It will be running with PPE LTH's and M370. I mention it because I see you have F.I's LTH's Not sure if it will help TQ with the SC's like it did NA. If anything, just get larger injectors, pump and run a map for E85. It will definitely allow you to run much more aggressive timing and bump up the power. E85 runs cooler to boot. For the track, I would imagine a SC would be easier to run considering it's linear power development. A turbo application would need to hit low in the rpm range to prevent the Jekyll and Hyde behavior of being on and off boost. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

12-05-2012, 10:57 AM	#25 (permalink)
JDMFairlady21 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: LI, NY Posts: 347 Drives: 03 Z33 TT Redline Rep Power: 15	we didn't get a chance to TT our track car last year and/ or the previous year... but I can assure you that a 20min session with a full bolt on n/a Z, oil temps were getting ridiculous, even with a 34 row cooler already. but oddly enough, didn't see water temp go too crazy. the car eventually ended up with twin 34 row oil coolers, and an upgraded CSF radiator. the above would be necessary to REALLY track a TT 370z for sure. __________________ http://i48.tinypic.com/2h6t15w.jpg Real Auto Dynamics 516.442.7155 \| alex@realautodynamics.com www.facebook.com/RealAutoDynamics

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12-04-2012, 01:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
BlkNismo Track Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 614 Drives: Nismo Rep Power: 14	OP, are you planning on using an oil pan spacer or greddy oil pan? Also, is there currently anyone running either gtm or cfx radiator with an aftermarket gauge? Any noticable temp reduction? How about fuel return? I know GTM and AAM offer kits.