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blackonorange 03-21-2012 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tower74 (Post 1613805)
You should be showing up in the low 11's. That's if your installer installed the AFR "sniffer" after the turbo. I have to move mine due to them installing it before the turbo. I'm always seeing 10.0 when I floor it.

Also if you only bought the basic can tune I don't know what kinda of HP you should be seeing. Always tomorrow and Marc is only a phone call away. On top of that your number are better than what I started with...338hp when we started. So no worries, it does get better.

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Originally Posted by Jamaica@UAMotorsports (Post 1613817)
was this with the tune STS provided or s custom tune?

This is the tune STS provided our uprev cable quit working :s

Jamaica 03-21-2012 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1613822)
This is the tune STS provided our uprev cable quit working :s

Let me know if you need anything. I advice a custom tune will get the best numbers out of this kit.

blackonorange 03-21-2012 11:32 PM

Oh I know we're not done tuning the car is still strapped to the Dyno

Mr.Squeeze 03-22-2012 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1613417)
K guys on the lower side right now it's at 390 whp and 310 wtq but it's still real rich but the cable keeps bugging out uprev is probably gonna send a new cable :( we are still real rich above 6 grand and the timing hasn't been adjusted either so there's still more power to be made. Also what are other turbo guys seeing for wot afr?


What kind of dyno does this shop have ?

blackonorange 03-22-2012 08:01 AM

Dyno jet

erkthejerk73 03-22-2012 08:22 AM

what numbers are you trying to get to?

blackonorange 03-22-2012 08:24 AM

450 ish but this afr is concerning me wouldn't you wanna put the sniffer before the cat? Where do other people put there's?

erkthejerk73 03-22-2012 08:35 AM

when i was tuned they did it at the front O2 sensor on the driver side.

that was a NA 350z few years ago

blackonorange 03-22-2012 08:48 AM

That makes sense but tower is saying behind the turbo :o that doesn't seem right

erkthejerk73 03-22-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1614168)
That makes sense but tower is saying behind the turbo :o that doesn't seem right

not saying im right, but wasnt towers tuner a moron?

blackonorange 03-22-2012 08:52 AM

Yea that's what the rumor is I'll keep you guys updated today

blackonorange 03-22-2012 08:54 AM

Apparently the cable is buggin out and we aren't able to tune so thats where we're at

erkthejerk73 03-22-2012 08:54 AM

who is your tuner?

blackonorange 03-22-2012 08:55 AM

The owner of speedtech here in saskatoon

erkthejerk73 03-22-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1614177)
Apparently the cable is buggin out and we aren't able to tune so thats where we're at

call uprev about the cable, maybe they have a fix for the cable issue.

Speedy 03-22-2012 10:01 AM

Your wide band needs to be installed BEFORE the cat to give the most accurate reading. Usually they're placed close to the stock sensor.

An AFR of 10 is definitely rich, but adjustments in AFR don't add GOBS of power. You'll pick up some, but not tons. On a stock motor I'd want the AFR around 11.2 -11.5 in this car. That's a nice safe zone to be in for FI to keep things cooler in the combustion chamber.

TIMING is where you'll make up your power. On the Challenger for EVERY DEGREE of timing we add we get "about" 20RWHP.

Stock, I'm told the Z runs around 20-22 degrees of timing at WOT. However on FI, you have to back that off to avoid detonation. I'm curious where your timing is right now with the STS stock tune. Can you find that out for me?

On the Challenger several factors affect the final timing the engine gets, like intake air temp, knock sensors, etc. My Challenger motor is a forged balance and blue printed engine at lower compression (9:1) for boost with special ring gaps etc. I run 93 octane in it and on that 93 octane tune we start off with about 18 degrees of timing at IATs under 100F. At 115 the timing drops to 16 degrees. At 125 it drops to 14 degrees and pretty much stays there. I run about 13-14psi of boost on that car, and my IATs are about 90° over ambient at the end of the 1/4 mile or a hard full out pull on the highway. So if it's 60 out, the IAT gets up to about 150.

Not sure how that'll work out on the Z, just giving you my stats as an example to go by so you have SOME idea. Turbos are more efficient than the roots blower I have on the Challenger, so your IATs should be lower.

Lemme know on how much timing that tune has today.

blackonorange 03-22-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by erkthejerk73 (Post 1614193)
call uprev about the cable, maybe they have a fix for the cable issue.

Yea they called them this morning

blackonorange 03-22-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 1614310)
Your wide band needs to be installed BEFORE the cat to give the most accurate reading. Usually they're placed close to the stock sensor.

An AFR of 10 is definitely rich, but adjustments in AFR don't add GOBS of power. You'll pick up some, but not tons. On a stock motor I'd want the AFR around 11.2 -11.5 in this car. That's a nice safe zone to be in for FI to keep things cooler in the combustion chamber.

TIMING is where you'll make up your power. On the Challenger for EVERY DEGREE of timing we add we get "about" 20RWHP.

Stock, I'm told the Z runs around 20-22 degrees of timing at WOT. However on FI, you have to back that off to avoid detonation. I'm curious where your timing is right now with the STS stock tune. Can you find that out for me?

On the Challenger several factors affect the final timing the engine gets, like intake air temp, knock sensors, etc. My Challenger motor is a forged balance and blue printed engine at lower compression (9:1) for boost with special ring gaps etc. I run 93 octane in it and on that 93 octane tune we start off with about 18 degrees of timing at IATs under 100F. At 115 the timing drops to 16 degrees. At 125 it drops to 14 degrees and pretty much stays there. I run about 13-14psi of boost on that car, and my IATs are about 90° over ambient at the end of the 1/4 mile or a hard full out pull on the highway. So if it's 60 out, the IAT gets up to about 150.

Not sure how that'll work out on the Z, just giving you my stats as an example to go by so you have SOME idea. Turbos are more efficient than the roots blower I have on the Challenger, so your IATs should be lower.

Lemme know on how much timing that tune has today.

Thanks for the info! I'll let you know as soon as I do

SharpByCoop 03-22-2012 11:12 AM

FYI: We had a disconnect issue with my G37 when we first started. Intermittent. My tech went in and pinched all the female pins tighter to resolve this.

My guess it it's the same problem. None of the tuning advice can be applied until you get consistent readings.

Good luck.

Coop

blackonorange 03-22-2012 01:21 PM

Hmmm interesting ill definately try that coop

erkthejerk73 03-22-2012 01:53 PM

what did uprev say when you called them?

also y are they not on the forum?

tower74 03-22-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by erkthejerk73 (Post 1614170)
not saying im right, but wasnt towers tuner a moron?

Yes they were complete retards. As far as the Sniffer goes I was told by Marc from STS where it should be..

blackonorange 03-22-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by erkthejerk73 (Post 1614761)
what did uprev say when you called them?

also y are they not on the forum?

They said the same thing coop pretty much told me.... They say it's quite a common prOblem

blackonorange 03-22-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tower74 (Post 1614786)
Yes they were complete retards. As far as the Sniffer goes I was told by Marc from STS where it should be..

I would think they need to be before the cat to get accurate reading :s

blackonorange 03-22-2012 06:18 PM

We're gonna take the dash tOmmorrow I guess

blackonorange 03-23-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpByCoop (Post 1614502)
FYI: We had a disconnect issue with my G37 when we first started. Intermittent. My tech went in and pinched all the female pins tighter to resolve this.

My guess it it's the same problem. None of the tuning advice can be applied until you get consistent readings.

Good luck.

Coop

Coop which pins are you talking about?

SharpByCoop 03-23-2012 07:00 PM

I don't know which exact pins, but the connector for the OBD port right under the dash. He took a tool and closed all of them a touch.

Coop

Boosted Performance 03-23-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1617107)
Coop which pins are you talking about?

Common sense dictates that it would be the female part of the connector.

blackonorange 03-24-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Z (Post 1617597)
Common sense dictates that it would be the female part of the connector.

Indeed you are correct , drove the car around last night On the base tune Omg 390 whp ain't a joke and the car sounds amazing

Boosted Performance 03-24-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1618250)
Indeed you are correct , drove the car around last night On the base tune Omg 390 whp ain't a joke and the car sounds amazing

With temperatures at -10 C, you could not use even a fraction of that 390whp on the street. Wait till June when the roads really warm up, and your tires stick better to the roads...I am in Edmonton, the Z is at 450whp so I speak from experience.

blackonorange 03-24-2012 11:54 AM

What kit do you have on your z and where did you get it tuned?

blackonorange 03-24-2012 12:02 PM

Ohhh scratch that your the guy that makes the custom kits

Reality 03-24-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1618285)
What kit do you have on your z and where did you get it tuned?

He has his own kit.. LoL
Boosted Z is sasha@Boosted Performance.:hello: He designs his own turbo kits.. Hopefully he will be developing his z34 kit soon!:tiphat:

Cell 03-24-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reality (Post 1618296)
He has his own kit.. LoL
Boosted Z is sasha@Boosted Performance.:hello: He designs his own turbo kits.. Hopefully he will be developing his z34 kit soon!:tiphat:

April is when he gets the z34 and start development. I am actually considering his kit once he finishes. So far I am very impressed with his Z33 kits.

blackonorange 03-24-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 1618313)
April is when he gets the z34 and start development. I am actually considering his kit once he finishes. So far I am very impressed with his Z33 kits.

Yes they look good and he's close to me so that helps as well

Boosted Performance 03-24-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1618285)
What kit do you have on your z and where did you get it tuned?

Theothers have answer the first part....and the car is tuned by me using the Haltech Platinum. Hope that Haltech gets something for the 370z, as it is an amazing EMS. (I have the 350z, 450whp (DJ) on 9psi)

blackonorange 03-24-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Z (Post 1618368)
Theothers have answer the first part....and the car is tuned by me using the Haltech Platinum. Hope that Haltech gets something for the 370z, as it is an amazing EMS. (I have the 350z, 450whp (DJ) on 9psi)

Do you have any experience with uprev?

Boosted Performance 03-24-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1618371)
Do you have any experience with uprev?

No I do not, but I am reading up on it, and may fly down to UpRev for some training.

blackonorange 03-24-2012 01:01 PM

I'm in need of a good tune lol you should fly here :p

Boosted Performance 03-24-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 1618390)
I'm in need of a good tune lol you should fly here :p

And who will build this awesome new ST kit for the 370z then?


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