Built Block

Vinny

So.. Anyone have one yet? I have a shortblock on order from GTM, (stage 1) and eagerly waiting it's arrival.

On the GTM website, the block says it's rated to 600whp, but when I spoke to Sam, he said that it says 600 because they have to put a number on it, but really the pistons/rods are capable of more. What do you guys think?? How far would you push this block comfortably?

Also, can someone chime in about some differences in driveability with lower a lower compression engine? I chose (with the help of Sam and my shop) to go with 9:1 compression ratio. Will this affect how the engine runs at all? Also, I know that i'll have to boost higher to make the same power, but how will this affect torque numbers?

And last question, for anyone running a stage 2 TT kit. I don't remember what the injectors where running at. From what I understand, they should'nt be running higher than 95% or so, correct?
Thanks guys!

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540whp @ 10.5 psi

theaudir8fan

Congrats on the built block, I'm in for the result and review.
Forged performance built a G with a built block running 9:1 compression with a greddy TT kit. It is said that it runs like stock and made 636whp with 93oct.
From GTM's website, you should be running a 600cc injector, if you planing on going higher tune with more boost, bigger injectors won't hurt. Injector Dynamics have 725cc and 850cc which are probably suitable for your application. Altho not sure how well the walbro 255 will do with 6 850cc, might need to look into getting a higher rated pump too.

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Vinny

Thanks for the input, theaudir8fan. I was also thinking I'd need bigger injectors. I was thinking of swapping some 800cc's and a 300lph fuel pump, not sure if that would be sufficient. Also, do you know what turbos that G was using? And on what kind of dyno they made this kind of power? Not sure at what point my gt28s will max out. I get 94 oct here, so hopefully with the new injectors and pump, I'll be able to hit those kinds of numbers as well. *fingers crossed

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Jeffblue

yea its probably rated for more, but a lot of times those hp capable numbers are arbitrary. a stock block is good for 600whp for 1 dyno pull. The question is how long. i think the implication here is that this motor can handle 600whp day in, day out, without issues. Building a motor and beefing up the internals is less about how much peak power it can put down and more about how well the block holds up over time to the rigors of actually putting out that power after thousands of miles. the GT28RS are good for 700+whp on the 300zx (VG30DETT) with the right setup, so i'm sure they are good for at least that much, if not more, with the right setup on the VQ37 with a built block.

You should ask sam about getting 1000cc or larger injectors so you can run an e85 tune

BTW, way to go on doing this whole VQ Forced induction thing the right way

Vinny

Thanks a lot, Jeffblue! Trying to stay away from as many headaches as possible :P

Glad to hear the turbos will hold up. In any case, I don't think I'll be trying to push anymore than 630-640whp on this block, specially not on a regular basis. I'll most likely be sticking around 570-580whp most of the time, with a few exceptions.

As for the E85 tune, I'm not sure how that would benefit me? I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to tuning, but wouldn't 800cc injectors be sufficient with a custom tune? Also, I'm assuming with 1000cc injectors, I'd have to run a dual pump, correct?

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Jeffblue

e85 is much higher octane equivalent than 93 octane pump gas. Think of it like really cheap race gas. Lots of people are running e85 setups right now on modified cars like evo's 300zx's and lots of others. The only trouble is, that it burns about 33%% (i think) faster than normal gasoline. So, as a result, you need to accommodate for that with larger injectors, and typically a dual fuel pump system. But, if your car is e85 ready, you can go to your nearest e85 station and essentially fill up with a full tank of race gas for less than 40 dollars, as opposed to 150 dollars for race gas. Talk to sam about it, i'm sure he knows a lot more about it than i do, and whether or not it would be practical, or doable for your application, as well as how much it'd cost you.

BTW i believe there are some dual pump setups that only run 1 pump most of the time, then have a supplemental pump that comes on when necessary, so you aren't running 2 pumps simultaneously all the time.

Im curious to see what sam says. I think you'd be the first 370z with an e85 setup though

Ron

Phunk (Charles from CJM is) already running E85 with a Greddy TT kit

Edit: Here ya go phunk's CJM Greddy TT - Build, Info, Reviews, Etc

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Vinny

That looks very interesting.. In any case, I don't have any access to E85 here in montreal, just a quick google search crushed my hopes :P

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roplusbee

ID makes 1000cc injectors (I have a set) and the Aeromotive makes a 310 lbs/hr pump (I have that also) that CJ Motorsport (Phunk's shop) makes an in-tank kit for. Just saying........check out Phunk's setup and you can't go wrong, if that is what you are after!

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theDreamer

Baker Tuning finished a TT with built block a few weeks ago.
They are still breaking in the motor and waiting on some other parts before final tune. Goal is easy 8-9PSI (what it currently runs) and then a 15PSI map for fun.

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Vinny

Do you know what compression ratio they went with? If they went with 9:1, wouldn't they be making similar power at 11psi on a stock block or around 15psi with a lower compression engine?

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theaudir8fan

well if your target is 630-640whp, i think a set of 725cc injectors should be good for your goals. So if you don't want to spent too much just yet, you can just get a set of injectors. If you want more room for more power in the future, 850cc and a bigger fuel pump should be enough. Do note that the bigger injectors you put in, the more fuel consuming it will be.
This is the link to the forged performance build.
Forged Performance: 636whp G37 Coupe!!! - MyG37
The dyno is done on dyno dynamics, so not the feel good once like dynojet.
As for turbo, it's the greddy G20 kit, so it will be which ever turbo that came with it. Should be similar to the GT28.
Also they used 725cc injectors, so if your power goals is similar, it should be enough.

BTW, are you getting 94 from husky? i thought about going on a higher tune, but after reading up on the amount of ethanol they use to boost oct number, i ended up sticking with shell 91 and take the decrease in power. Also i noticed that 94 from husky returns less mileage per tank then shell 91, have you had that experience? I'm in Calgary by the way, so no chevron like Vancouver

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Vinny

I get 94 oct from petro Canada here in Montreal. I've only ever used 94 with my Z, so I wouldn't be able to give any kind of comparison

Anyone know what kind of a pump I would need to run 800 or 725cc injectors? I'm hoping a 300lph would be enough? Or maybe even the Waldo I have in there already? (255lph)

Also, I noticed that the G had driveshaft shop level 5 axles on the parts list. Is this a must?

Thanks for all your help guys!

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Jeffblue

larger injectors don't use any more gas than smaller injectors. they just have the capability to flow more fuel than smaller ones. If they were truly flowing more fuel than they were supposed to then the car would be running very rich

VQStryker

yep^^^ tune will dictate the output of the injectors, largers ones just have the capability for a larger output.