For those of you with FI - Who's in the 10's

phunk · 12-06-2011, 07:02 PM

traction control is counter productive. we are talking about trying to get the car down the track as quickly as possible. cutting ignition and fuel to reduce HP is not the answer.

traction control is not going to save the axles from the shock of a launch either. you have to release the clutch before the tires can spin, if the axles break than traction control would have never had a chance to engage.

anyone with a powerful RWD car has to make changes to accomodate the power if they would like to use it all in the lower gears. the Z car is no exception. guys running around slammed with goofy alignment on stretched tires over 19-20" wheels are not going to be the guys getting down the track quickly. ironically, this is mostly the same drivers complaining about traction with their FI car or saying the power isnt useable in this car.

Nixlimited · 12-06-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

Here is a video of a 40th making 550rwhp with traction control. The racelogic system allows the user to use launch mode or select the amount of wheel spin they want to allow. The system cuts both ignition and timing to allow for the most power to reach the ground while maintaining traction... just a thought...

Hmmm, watched that video and could hear lots of turbo noise. However, when I test drove a stg 2 TT at GTM, I couldn't hear the turbos at all. Wonder what the difference was.

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

traction control is counter productive. we are talking about trying to get the car down the track as quickly as possible. cutting ignition and fuel to reduce HP is not the answer.

traction control is not going to save the axles from the shock of a launch either. you have to release the clutch before the tires can spin, if the axles break than traction control would have never had a chance to engage.

anyone with a powerful RWD car has to make changes to accomodate the power if they would like to use it all in the lower gears. the Z car is no exception. guys running around slammed with goofy alignment on stretched tires over 19-20" wheels are not going to be the guys getting down the track quickly. ironically, this is mostly the same drivers complaining about traction with their FI car or saying the power isnt useable in this car.

Well said.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-06-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

Mine put down 990 to the wheels repeatedly at 28psi so I would say yes the axles are a bit stronger

But I also have the traction control system...

Step 1: Put slicks on the White Dragon
Step 2: Run it at the drag strip.
Step 3: Post results.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

bullitt5897 · 12-06-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited

Hmmm, watched that video and could hear lots of turbo noise. However, when I test drove a stg 2 TT at GTM, I couldn't hear the turbos at all. Wonder what the difference was.

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B.A.Q · 12-06-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited

Hmmm, watched that video and could hear lots of turbo noise. However, when I test drove a stg 2 TT at GTM, I couldn't hear the turbos at all. Wonder what the difference was.

What makes GTM tt kit quiet? the low Boost?

That video is about what i want a turbo kit to sound like

bullitt5897 · 12-06-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

traction control is counter productive. we are talking about trying to get the car down the track as quickly as possible. cutting ignition and fuel to reduce HP is not the answer.

traction control is not going to save the axles from the shock of a launch either. you have to release the clutch before the tires can spin, if the axles break than traction control would have never had a chance to engage.

anyone with a powerful RWD car has to make changes to accomodate the power if they would like to use it all in the lower gears. the Z car is no exception. guys running around slammed with goofy alignment on stretched tires over 19-20" wheels are not going to be the guys getting down the track quickly. ironically, this is mostly the same drivers complaining about traction with their FI car or saying the power isnt useable in this car.

Well Said!

Traction control could be counter productive but in most peoples cases this would be a better solution than slicks.... look at it this way. If your going to lose traction with a given set of tires and 550rwhp... you can save money instead of dropping serious cash all the time on tires why not just invest in a system that will allow you to get the most amount of HP to the ground while maintaining traction... so if your tires can only hold 375rwhp in first gear and 450 in second and the full 550 in third then its going to allow your car to make that power and not spin the wheels which = fastest acceleration given the traction limits of the car.

So in my eyes there are two options pay $$$ for slicks or pay a one time $2k for the racelogic traction control system you can run day in and day out and sell at anytime recouping some cost

Mike

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2011, 09:57 PM

But that doesn't change the fact that you'll be going way slower in the 1/4 than you would if you had slicks.

LafitteZ · 12-06-2011, 09:58 PM

we can argue thses points till we blue in the face. Put a tt 370 against any car of the same value and youll kick its *** in anything but the quarter mile. We all know the answers to all these questions its whos got the dough to fund these cars if they break. Traction control is a good mod for your average guy on street tires but going extreme quarter mile race cars have slicks and suspension. take cars right out off the showroom floor and the z wasnt meant for the quarter mile.

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ

we can argue thses points till we blue in the face. Put a tt 370 against any car of the same value and youll kick its *** in anything but the quarter mile. We all know the answers to all these questions its whos got the dough to fund these cars if they break. Traction control is a good mod for your average guy on street tires but going extreme quarter mile race cars have slicks and suspension. take cars right out off the showroom floor and the z wasnt meant for the quarter mile.

That's actually not true and it's totally beside the point. We're talking about maximizing 1/4 mile potential here, which naturally brings up the need for slicks.

LafitteZ · 12-06-2011, 10:01 PM

all traction control does is launch to the limit of the tire and suspension choice which is limited without a slick. a slick you can rev it to redline just about and let off the clutch and you have full power till you hit the breaks at the end. traction control almost feels like blue balls you think your about to unleash the power and it just cuts you off like its a smelly bitch.

LafitteZ · 12-06-2011, 10:03 PM

SLICKS - POWER - suspension bottom line

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LafitteZ

all traction control does is launch to the limit of the tire and suspension choice which is limited without a slick. a slick you can rev it to redline just about and let off the clutch and you have full power till you hit the breaks at the end. traction control almost feels like blue balls you think your about to unleash the power and it just cuts you off like its a smelly bitch.

I know what TC is, but that's quite the analogy.

LafitteZ · 12-06-2011, 10:07 PM

youve never took off about to race someone and you forgot the traction control on. Man what a fuggin let down lol. My posts abouve wasnt for you. I was agreeing with u

LafitteZ · 12-06-2011, 10:16 PM

ok a 370 plus a turbo= 40000 what car at 40000 can mess with it on a road course? or on the street?

12-06-2011, 07:02 PM	#76 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,654 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 944523	traction control is counter productive. we are talking about trying to get the car down the track as quickly as possible. cutting ignition and fuel to reduce HP is not the answer. traction control is not going to save the axles from the shock of a launch either. you have to release the clutch before the tires can spin, if the axles break than traction control would have never had a chance to engage. anyone with a powerful RWD car has to make changes to accomodate the power if they would like to use it all in the lower gears. the Z car is no exception. guys running around slammed with goofy alignment on stretched tires over 19-20" wheels are not going to be the guys getting down the track quickly. ironically, this is mostly the same drivers complaining about traction with their FI car or saying the power isnt useable in this car. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	But that doesn't change the fact that you'll be going way slower in the 1/4 than you would if you had slicks. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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12-06-2011, 09:58 PM	#84 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	we can argue thses points till we blue in the face. Put a tt 370 against any car of the same value and youll kick its *** in anything but the quarter mile. We all know the answers to all these questions its whos got the dough to fund these cars if they break. Traction control is a good mod for your average guy on street tires but going extreme quarter mile race cars have slicks and suspension. take cars right out off the showroom floor and the z wasnt meant for the quarter mile.

12-06-2011, 10:01 PM	#86 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	all traction control does is launch to the limit of the tire and suspension choice which is limited without a slick. a slick you can rev it to redline just about and let off the clutch and you have full power till you hit the breaks at the end. traction control almost feels like blue balls you think your about to unleash the power and it just cuts you off like its a smelly bitch.

12-06-2011, 10:03 PM	#87 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	SLICKS - POWER - suspension bottom line

12-06-2011, 10:07 PM	#89 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	youve never took off about to race someone and you forgot the traction control on. Man what a fuggin let down lol. My posts abouve wasnt for you. I was agreeing with u

12-06-2011, 10:16 PM	#90 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	ok a 370 plus a turbo= 40000 what car at 40000 can mess with it on a road course? or on the street?