Carb approved kits for California

Nixlimited · 02-26-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Given cost and commitment can't say I'm completely satisfied with Stillen product yet. It's very nicely designed system but canned tuning and low end boost is definitely lacking.

It's a centrifugal supercharger, of course low end boost is lacking. That's by design.

Shamu · 02-28-2012, 08:36 PM

Yes however even centrifical blowers make some boost down low.and i still think there is more that can be done with VVEl mapping with Stillen kit.

I still think Stillen is the way to go as non carb legal kits are a hassle when smog time comes. I do appreciate the hard work Stillen put into getting CARB certification I just hope I can get carb legal hp numbers closer to what I have seen from other installs.. And truly if your not worried about carb why not just do proper twin turbo?

Having spent more time with their kit it does work well the tune just needs a wee bit of tweaking. I think I will have some real improvements soon with my carb legal tune.

Mr.Squeeze · 02-28-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Yes however even centrifical blowers make some boost down low.and i still think there is more that can be done with VVEl mapping with Stillen kit.

I still think Stillen is the way to go as non carb legal kits are a hassle when smog time comes. I do appreciate the hard work Stillen put into getting CARB certification I just hope I can get carb legal hp numbers closer to what I have seen from other installs.. And truly if your not worried about carb why not just do proper twin turbo?

Having spent more time with their kit it does work well the tune just needs a wee bit of tweaking. I think I will have some real improvements soon with my carb legal tune.

You can not tune VVEl at all,If Uprev hasnt come out with it then Stillen cant do anything about it either.There using uprev software, I do wish there was a way to tune VVEL,a tweak to your tune will give you a little better results. However some of the other installs you are talking about with better number's have the smaller pulley.Like the dyno chart posted in your thread, thats with the 9 pound pulley from Stillen.

I dont think you will get the low end you are searching for from the Centrifical blower,Unless you up the boost some with a re tune.Every dyno I have seen from the stock pulley doesnt even break 300 ft lbs of torque. I hope everything works out for you though man I really do.

shumby · 09-07-2011, 11:40 PM

HOw much to replace a blowen engine from knock? $8000?

Josh@STILLEN · 09-07-2011, 11:45 PM

If you followed the story you're mentioning, there was a bad injector at play it would seem..

and it didn't blow Weiboy's engine.. you're just

..

It's been a while Shumby, hope things are good with you up north! Or are you in the middle of nowhere again? lol

OMG37 · 09-08-2011, 01:59 AM

To be nice I'll leave my post out of the announcement on this site. I'll just say that reading your announcement just makes me laugh. Proclaiming you are the leader in Nissan/Infiniti product development and first to provide a forced induction solution is a stretch from the truth.

Nice work on getting the CARB approval, but that's really for California guys that care about that stuff. You guys are nice guys so hopefully no hard feelings but the hype over CARB approval should be just that...the rest can be left out it just begs people like myself to say something.

roy'sz · 09-08-2011, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OMG37

To be nice I'll leave my post out of the announcement on this site. I'll just say that reading your announcement just makes me laugh. Proclaiming you are the leader in Nissan/Infiniti product development and first to provide a forced induction solution is a stretch from the truth.

Nice work on getting the CARB approval, but that's really for California guys that care about that stuff. You guys are nice guys so hopefully no hard feelings but the hype over CARB approval should be just that...the rest can be left out it just begs people like myself to say something.

I remember goin to hot import nights and watching the cops "sniff" cars as they drove by. They were like flies on sh*t. I know in texas you don't have to worry abotu that but here in cali its worth getting instead of rippin everything off your car to solve a "fix it" ticket. I think you should open mouth and insert foot home boy!

OMG37 · 09-08-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by roy'sz

I remember goin to hot import nights and watching the cops "sniff" cars as they drove by. They were like flies on sh*t. I know in texas you don't have to worry abotu that but here in cali its worth getting instead of rippin everything off your car to solve a "fix it" ticket. I think you should open mouth and insert foot home boy!

I think you are missing my point...home boy. I said the CARB approval is a good thing. Only people from California people really need something like that so to make it some big OH MAN WE ARE THE **** WE ARE LEGAL EVERYWHERE NOW and the other stuff about being industry leading and "first" is not necessary. It's all hype.

What kind of countless hours of exhausting work was needed to be "legal" in all the other 49 states? And seriously...improving the supercharger tuning was put on hold to get the CARB approval taken care of? I'm pretty sure there are more than just 5 guys working at Stillen. Seems like there is a whole team of engineers, I would think they'd be able to accomplish both!

Again, my point was just to post that you got your CARB approval and that's it...the rest is BS.

Lug · 09-08-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OMG37

I think you are missing my point...home boy. I said the CARB approval is a good thing. Only people from California people really need something like that so to make it some big OH MAN WE ARE THE **** WE ARE LEGAL EVERYWHERE NOW and the other stuff about being industry leading and "first" is not necessary. It's all hype.

What kind of countless hours of exhausting work was needed to be "legal" in all the other 49 states? And seriously...improving the supercharger tuning was put on hold to get the CARB approval taken care of? I'm pretty sure there are more than just 5 guys working at Stillen. Seems like there is a whole team of engineers, I would think they'd be able to accomplish both!

Again, my point was just to post that you got your CARB approval and that's it...the rest is BS.

If you don't think people look at the CARB cert outside of Cali, you are mistaken. Even if you don't have to have it, you still get the benefit of knowing that your car can pass anywhere. Also, Cali is probably the biggest market for used sales when you want to move on. CARB is a big deal. I remember high end places like JWT trying for years to get this back in the 350Z days....and failing.

OMG37 · 09-09-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

If you don't think people look at the CARB cert outside of Cali, you are mistaken. Even if you don't have to have it, you still get the benefit of knowing that your car can pass anywhere. Also, Cali is probably the biggest market for used sales when you want to move on. CARB is a big deal. I remember high end places like JWT trying for years to get this back in the 350Z days....and failing.

Well I certainly wasn't trying to say that nobody cares about it outside of California, but I am definitely one that doesn't go purchase a car down the street and wonder if it's CARB approved. It's obviously a matter of opinion who cares and who doesn't. The nice thing is that it's CARB approved now...but all they fluff around it was what I'm pointing out.

hdskull · 09-08-2011, 03:59 AM

^yeah, heard of people who put in their TT's only to be ref'd a few months later... ouch, all that labor cost!

roy'sz · 09-09-2011, 03:11 AM

Who else had a carb approved kit other than this one?

Lug · 09-09-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by roy'sz

Who else had a carb approved kit other than this one?

GTM is working on theirs now. I don't think anyone else is close.

OMG37 · 09-09-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

GTM is working on theirs now. I don't think anyone else is close.

Sam is working on it, but as does everyone, he has to prioritize his time. I would tell you what he told me about some of the really minor **** he has to deal with when getting the CARB approval, but it's not my place to tell. It just goes to show the amount of headache and detail that goes into this approval process.

Phimosis · 02-22-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OMG37

Sam is working on it, but as does everyone, he has to prioritize his time. I would tell you what he told me about some of the really minor **** he has to deal with when getting the CARB approval, but it's not my place to tell. It just goes to show the amount of headache and detail that goes into this approval process.

Why were you bashing Stillen earlier in this thread for having CARB approval and going on about how it's irrellevant if you don't live in California, but then go on to make excuses for why GTM didn't have CARB approval.

I know this thread is something like 5 months old, but I went to GTM's website and it still doesn't look like their kit has CARB certification.

Something like 80% of the US population lives in areas that do have emissions testing and inspection. The CARB sticker will get you through any of those inspections.

02-28-2012, 08:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 20	Yes however even centrifical blowers make some boost down low.and i still think there is more that can be done with VVEl mapping with Stillen kit. I still think Stillen is the way to go as non carb legal kits are a hassle when smog time comes. I do appreciate the hard work Stillen put into getting CARB certification I just hope I can get carb legal hp numbers closer to what I have seen from other installs.. And truly if your not worried about carb why not just do proper twin turbo? Having spent more time with their kit it does work well the tune just needs a wee bit of tweaking. I think I will have some real improvements soon with my carb legal tune. __________________ Grant

09-07-2011, 11:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 45 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 237	HOw much to replace a blowen engine from knock? $8000? __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

09-08-2011, 01:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
OMG37 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 119 Drives: 08 G37S 6MT Rep Power: 16	To be nice I'll leave my post out of the announcement on this site. I'll just say that reading your announcement just makes me laugh. Proclaiming you are the leader in Nissan/Infiniti product development and first to provide a forced induction solution is a stretch from the truth. Nice work on getting the CARB approval, but that's really for California guys that care about that stuff. You guys are nice guys so hopefully no hard feelings but the hype over CARB approval should be just that...the rest can be left out it just begs people like myself to say something. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/OneFastG?sk=wall

09-08-2011, 03:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
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