Supercharger/Turbo kit...?

LafitteZ · 07-26-2011, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roplusbee

20Gs were large for say a VG30, but not so much for a VQ35/37

That yea I know but the turbos on the greddy are larger than the stage one gtm? If they arent I stand corrected. I know that a smaller turbo will spool faster. Im just saying most people prefer the gtm just on price alone. greddy kits are expensive next to gtm.

LafitteZ · 07-26-2011, 05:01 PM

I know alot of people are complaining about the throttle response issue on the new platform. I know I complained but I put a light clutch and flywheel and that made that much better.

roplusbee · 07-27-2011, 01:20 AM

20Gs are slightly larger than the GT28RS. I would say 18Gs are closer to GT28RS though. One of my neighbors from years ago used 18Gs on his Z32 and that thing was a monster for the time. He let people look under the hood, but you really couldn't see much. Plus, he was pretty tight lipped on what all he did or had done to the car.

Blue370tt · 07-27-2011, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KusoSama

Are you seriously trying to be offensive here?

I'm confused as to why you decided to go the childish route on this... My comment back was me stating an opinion I have, the purpose of the thread I believe, and then followed up with a correction to a comment you made about assuming what throttle lag I was speaking to. You apparently misunderstood what I was stating and decided to take offense.

As for your comment about 90% of the TT'd 370s you've seen being GTM...

Have you seen most of these in person?
Did a high % of the people you saw with these kits frequent this forum or request advice from you?

That may explain why you see such a high percentage of GTM kits... GTM is a Sponsored Merchant on this forum and as such will have considerably better marketing visibility through this medium than say in a magazine. I've NEVER seen a MEMORABLE magazine ad campaign for GTM in say DSPORT magazine... Because of this lack of marketing I provide an alternative due to the marketing medium I've been influenced by most and have stated my opinion as to why I think Greddy would be a good kit.

Just because my current car isn't boosted doesn't warrant my opinion to be attacked in such a childish way.

As far as...

Why are you asking me if I prefer journal or ball bearing turbos? Is this your way of testing my knowledge? It's all based on preferences and risk management just like any choice in a project.

I never proclaimed I was a mechanic or a high end tuner in any of my posts. I simply have stated my opinion on the subject and how I feel I'm gonna go if I stick with this 370z.

Ok....a few things.......#1 I had one of the first TT GTM installs in the USA and it was done WAY BEFORE I joined this forum,,,,,so any sponsorship issues IN THIS FORUM were not a factor in my decision. #2. A prominent shop on this forums employees TOLD ME that Greddy was lower quality AND DID NOT FIT as well as GTM. #3. Having an EVO and trying any type of part comparison is ridiculous and has no bearing here. #4. I used Greddy on my 350z before and am familiar with them. #5. Have I seen many GTM TTs in person......YES!. #6. Did a high % of the people you saw with these kits frequent this forum or request advice from you........NO! I dont know anyone on this forum "personally" that has a TT. I have been asked many questions by NON FI Z owners about my install.......not sure how many went TT after.

In my opinion....most performance minded people seek out "the best" in parts when upgrading (assuming they can afford them) and if Greddy was "as good" or "better" then why are there so few on this forum? And no......sponsorship on this forum "is not" a deal breaker or deal maker.....nor is price.

LafitteZ · 07-27-2011, 02:57 PM

I guarantee there are more gtm then greddy just on price alone. Y buy the expensive greddy when you can buy the gtm thats just as good for less. greddy and gtm are like argueing chevy and ford its worst than argueing religion around here. Put the two kits together when there completed and you get the same results or close too the same results its just ones more expensive. GTM also has more advertisment also tho. Its kind of like your chain restaurants verses mom and pop restaurants. the chains will have more customers per advertisement than your mom and pop with just word of mouth.

biggersNISMO · 07-27-2011, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KusoSama

Why are you asking me if I prefer journal or ball bearing turbos? Is this your way of testing my knowledge? It's all based on preferences and risk management just like any choice in a project.

I never proclaimed I was a mechanic or a high end tuner in any of my posts. I simply have stated my opinion on the subject and how I feel I'm gonna go if I stick with this 370z.

So you "feel" that Greddy's JB turbo's are more effective than GTM's BB turbo's... Gotcha....

Your risk management preference of choice is an outdated product, (hence why Greddy is lacking market share on the VQ Platform.)

And no, i never stated you were mechanically inclined, therefor, you are entitled to your own blurred standpoint on this subject.

My best wishes on your journey on sticking with the Z

Mike@GTM · 07-27-2011, 04:38 PM

Hmmm...there seems to be a little misconception about the turbos used in our kit compared to those in the GReddy kit.

First, yes, the Mitsubishi 18g and 20g turbos are bigger than the Garrett GT2860RS turbos we use in our stage 1 kit. That said, all three turbos are more than enough to blow up your stock engine if pushed...so in this case, bigger is irrelevant. The key is reliability and responsiveness.

The Garret turbos we use are ball bearing, water cooled units that can take a lot of abuse. The Mitsubishi turbos GReddy uses are inexpensive, old designs that are oil cooled only and use old fashioned journal bearings. Do they do the job? Sure, but so does an old carburated, push-rod V8...old technology...who cares.

Our Twin Turbo kit uses a high efficiency bar and plate intercooler, whereas the Greddy kit uses an inexpensive and restrictive tube and fin intercooler.

Our Turn Key kit is $7,495
GTM Motorsports*::*FORCED INDUCTION*::*GTM 370Z (TURN KEY) TWIN TURBO KIT

GReddy's Tuner kit is $9,520
GReddy

Our Turn-Key kit includes Engine Management, Fuel System Upgrades, and TiAl blow off Valves...the GReddy kit comes with none of that! Even if you got a smoking deal from some guy selling a GReddy Kit out of his garage for $20 over cost, you still end up paying more in the end with a GReddy kit because you will still have to buy Blow Off valves, engine management and fuel system upgrades.

So why pay more and get an incomplete kit with inexpensive components?

We're more concerned with making the best possible product for the best possible price with the most value for our customers. And if our customers have questions, we're here to help you understand what you're getting into and we're here to support you to ensure that you are happy with the product you get and that it performs.

Anyway, back to the whole Turbo thing. Let's say you have a built motor and are looking for big power. Well, the GReddy kit has bigger turbos you say. Have you looked at our Stage 3 Turn-Key package? $8,495 (still less expensive than the GReddy Tuner Kit) gets you a pair of Garrett GT3071R Turbos that push more air than the 20G turbos could ever hope...even if you sent the 20G's out to Blouch and had them upgraded with billet compressor wheels and clipped the turbines (more $$$).

Let's even argue that you could step up the 20g's to 25g's instead...have you seen our Stage 6 Kit? A pair of fire breathing Garrett GT3582R Turbos pushing 65lbs/min EACH. Guess what else...our Stage 6 kit is STILL less money than the GReddy kit.

Ultimately, we offer the best bang for the buck, whether you want a Twin Turbo Kit or a Supercharger Kit.

LafitteZ · 07-27-2011, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike@gtm

hmmm...there seems to be a little misconception about the turbos used in our kit compared to those in the greddy kit.

First, yes, the mitsubishi 18g and 20g turbos are bigger than the garrett gt2860rs turbos we use in our stage 1 kit. That said, all three turbos are more than enough to blow up your stock engine if pushed...so in this case, bigger is irrelevant. The key is reliability and responsiveness.

The garret turbos we use are ball bearing, water cooled units that can take a lot of abuse. The mitsubishi turbos greddy uses are inexpensive, old designs that are oil cooled only and use old fashioned journal bearings. Do they do the job? Sure, but so does an old carburated, push-rod v8...old technology...who cares.

Our twin turbo kit uses a high efficiency bar and plate intercooler, whereas the greddy kit uses an inexpensive and restrictive tube and fin intercooler.

Our turn key kit is $7,495
gtm motorsports*::*forced induction*::*gtm 370z (turn key) twin turbo kit

greddy's tuner kit is $9,520
greddy

our turn-key kit includes engine management, fuel system upgrades, and tial blow off valves...the greddy kit comes with none of that! Even if you got a smoking deal from some guy selling a greddy kit out of his garage for $20 over cost, you still end up paying more in the end with a greddy kit because you will still have to buy blow off valves, engine management and fuel system upgrades.

So why pay more and get an incomplete kit with inexpensive components?

We're more concerned with making the best possible product for the best possible price with the most value for our customers. And if our customers have questions, we're here to help you understand what you're getting into and we're here to support you to ensure that you are happy with the product you get and that it performs.

Anyway, back to the whole turbo thing. Let's say you have a built motor and are looking for big power. Well, the greddy kit has bigger turbos you say. Have you looked at our stage 3 turn-key package? $8,495 (still less expensive than the greddy tuner kit) gets you a pair of garrett gt3071r turbos that push more air than the 20g turbos could ever hope...even if you sent the 20g's out to blouch and had them upgraded with billet compressor wheels and clipped the turbines (more $$$).

Let's even argue that you could step up the 20g's to 25g's instead...have you seen our stage 6 kit? A pair of fire breathing garrett gt3582r turbos pushing 65lbs/min each. Guess what else...our stage 6 kit is still less money than the greddy kit.

Ultimately, we offer the best bang for the buck, whether you want a twin turbo kit or a supercharger kit.

thanks mike i been trying to say that but you put it in a much better way.

biggersNISMO · 07-27-2011, 05:18 PM

Mike, thanks for re-emphasizing my point thoroughly.

You da man!

The facts always win.

roplusbee · 07-28-2011, 01:16 AM

I just want to ensure that I am understanding your point properly here. If you are saying that the GTM kit(s) are superior because they have newer tech parts and such, I am not sure I agree. There are plenty of "older tech" parts/devices around that fit the bill and work as intended. If you are saying that the GTM kit(s) are superior because they are offered as complete turn-key kit(s) and/or GTM's customer service, then I can accept that. Don't just chop a dude up because you feel like it.......

I am not debating GTM's stuff here. I just want to see where you stated all of the "point" that you are speaking of. Looked like opinions just like the other guy was saying. Maybe the facts you speak of came out when Mike chimed in..............

biggersNISMO · 07-28-2011, 07:42 AM

^^^I did thank Mike for his thorough explaination in my previous post.

And are you seriously gonna argue that Greddy's JB turbo kit is better than GTM's BB kit?

Maybe old technology can "fit the bill" for you like you stated. I on the other hand have simple taste, satisfied by only the best. (yeah, that's a famous quote, but it sums up everything for me)

LafitteZ · 07-28-2011, 08:53 AM

Its all about the mula. MONEY MONEY MONEY. less mula for a kit thats at least just as good and mabe or mabe not better.

07-27-2011, 01:20 AM	#33 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 22	20Gs are slightly larger than the GT28RS. I would say 18Gs are closer to GT28RS though. One of my neighbors from years ago used 18Gs on his Z32 and that thing was a monster for the time. He let people look under the hood, but you really couldn't see much. Plus, he was pretty tight lipped on what all he did or had done to the car. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

07-27-2011, 04:38 PM	#37 (permalink)
Mike@GTM Not an active Vendor. DO NOT BUY Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: California Posts: 391 Drives: '13 Hot Lava FR-S Rep Power: 16	Hmmm...there seems to be a little misconception about the turbos used in our kit compared to those in the GReddy kit. First, yes, the Mitsubishi 18g and 20g turbos are bigger than the Garrett GT2860RS turbos we use in our stage 1 kit. That said, all three turbos are more than enough to blow up your stock engine if pushed...so in this case, bigger is irrelevant. The key is reliability and responsiveness. The Garret turbos we use are ball bearing, water cooled units that can take a lot of abuse. The Mitsubishi turbos GReddy uses are inexpensive, old designs that are oil cooled only and use old fashioned journal bearings. Do they do the job? Sure, but so does an old carburated, push-rod V8...old technology...who cares. Our Twin Turbo kit uses a high efficiency bar and plate intercooler, whereas the Greddy kit uses an inexpensive and restrictive tube and fin intercooler. Our Turn Key kit is $7,495 GTM Motorsports::FORCED INDUCTION::GTM 370Z (TURN KEY) TWIN TURBO KIT GReddy's Tuner kit is $9,520 GReddy Our Turn-Key kit includes Engine Management, Fuel System Upgrades, and TiAl blow off Valves...the GReddy kit comes with none of that! Even if you got a smoking deal from some guy selling a GReddy Kit out of his garage for $20 over cost, you still end up paying more in the end with a GReddy kit because you will still have to buy Blow Off valves, engine management and fuel system upgrades. So why pay more and get an incomplete kit with inexpensive components? We're more concerned with making the best possible product for the best possible price with the most value for our customers. And if our customers have questions, we're here to help you understand what you're getting into and we're here to support you to ensure that you are happy with the product you get and that it performs. Anyway, back to the whole Turbo thing. Let's say you have a built motor and are looking for big power. Well, the GReddy kit has bigger turbos you say. Have you looked at our Stage 3 Turn-Key package? $8,495 (still less expensive than the GReddy Tuner Kit) gets you a pair of Garrett GT3071R Turbos that push more air than the 20G turbos could ever hope...even if you sent the 20G's out to Blouch and had them upgraded with billet compressor wheels and clipped the turbines (more $$$). Let's even argue that you could step up the 20g's to 25g's instead...have you seen our Stage 6 Kit? A pair of fire breathing Garrett GT3582R Turbos pushing 65lbs/min EACH. Guess what else...our Stage 6 kit is STILL less money than the GReddy kit. Ultimately, we offer the best bang for the buck, whether you want a Twin Turbo Kit or a Supercharger Kit. Last edited by Mike@GTM; 07-27-2011 at 04:44 PM.

07-27-2011, 05:18 PM	#39 (permalink)
biggersNISMO Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lakewood... Green Mtn.. Posts: 102 Drives: Z Rep Power: 15	Mike, thanks for re-emphasizing my point thoroughly. You da man! The facts always win. __________________ an awkward morning beats a boring night CONOC.NET

07-28-2011, 01:16 AM	#40 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 22	I just want to ensure that I am understanding your point properly here. If you are saying that the GTM kit(s) are superior because they have newer tech parts and such, I am not sure I agree. There are plenty of "older tech" parts/devices around that fit the bill and work as intended. If you are saying that the GTM kit(s) are superior because they are offered as complete turn-key kit(s) and/or GTM's customer service, then I can accept that. Don't just chop a dude up because you feel like it....... I am not debating GTM's stuff here. I just want to see where you stated all of the "point" that you are speaking of. Looked like opinions just like the other guy was saying. Maybe the facts you speak of came out when Mike chimed in.............. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL Last edited by roplusbee; 07-28-2011 at 01:23 AM.

07-28-2011, 07:42 AM	#41 (permalink)
biggersNISMO Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lakewood... Green Mtn.. Posts: 102 Drives: Z Rep Power: 15	^^^I did thank Mike for his thorough explaination in my previous post. And are you seriously gonna argue that Greddy's JB turbo kit is better than GTM's BB kit? Maybe old technology can "fit the bill" for you like you stated. I on the other hand have simple taste, satisfied by only the best. (yeah, that's a famous quote, but it sums up everything for me) __________________ an awkward morning beats a boring night CONOC.NET

07-26-2011, 05:01 PM	#32 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	I know alot of people are complaining about the throttle response issue on the new platform. I know I complained but I put a light clutch and flywheel and that made that much better.

07-27-2011, 02:57 PM	#35 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	I guarantee there are more gtm then greddy just on price alone. Y buy the expensive greddy when you can buy the gtm thats just as good for less. greddy and gtm are like argueing chevy and ford its worst than argueing religion around here. Put the two kits together when there completed and you get the same results or close too the same results its just ones more expensive. GTM also has more advertisment also tho. Its kind of like your chain restaurants verses mom and pop restaurants. the chains will have more customers per advertisement than your mom and pop with just word of mouth.

07-28-2011, 08:53 AM	#42 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	Its all about the mula. MONEY MONEY MONEY. less mula for a kit thats at least just as good and mabe or mabe not better.

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