Nissan 370Z Forum  

GTM Stage 2 Supercharger Preliminary Testing Results

Originally Posted by Dzel So then are we going to call 8-10 safe and anything over 11psi a risk? I was hopping that you got more out of what i

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain > Forced Induction


Like Tree3Likes

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-23-2011, 09:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
NOT AN ACTIVE SPONSOR. DO NOT BUY
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: CALIFORNIA
Posts: 913
Drives: 370Z
Rep Power: 18
SAM@GTM is a splendid one to beholdSAM@GTM is a splendid one to beholdSAM@GTM is a splendid one to beholdSAM@GTM is a splendid one to beholdSAM@GTM is a splendid one to beholdSAM@GTM is a splendid one to beholdSAM@GTM is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzel View Post
So then are we going to call 8-10 safe and anything over 11psi a risk?
I was hopping that you got more out of what i have posted earlier. but to simplify things the less power and boost you are making the less tear and ware you engine is taking.

Sam
SAM@GTM is offline  
Old 05-23-2011, 10:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Dzel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Midland, TX
Posts: 3,884
Drives: 11 370Z PW M6
Rep Power: 24
Dzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SAM@GTM View Post
I was hopping that you got more out of what i have posted earlier. but to simplify things the less power and boost you are making the less tear and ware you engine is taking.

Sam
Well thats pretty much sums it up for me. I didn't read the whole thread call me lazy! I'm looking to get a supercharger about this time next year. I haven't found any single turbo kits, and the TT kit brings the temps way to high for me especially if its my daily driver. So I'll probably run 9psi on commutes 10psi when I get on it.
__________________
10secWS6
IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.
Dzel is offline  
Old 05-23-2011, 10:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Cell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,449
Drives: A Garbage Truck
Rep Power: 22
Cell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond reputeCell has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzel View Post
Well thats pretty much sums it up for me. I didn't read the whole thread call me lazy! I'm looking to get a supercharger about this time next year. I haven't found any single turbo kits, and the TT kit brings the temps way to high for me especially if its my daily driver. So I'll probably run 9psi on commutes 10psi when I get on it.
You should read that post... it is very informative. The amount of PSI isn't that big of a factor compared to what Sam posted.
Cell is offline  
Old 05-23-2011, 11:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
RCZ
A True Z Fanatic
 
RCZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Miami
Posts: 6,403
Drives: '09 370Z
Rep Power: 1119
RCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond reputeRCZ has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to RCZ
Default

Sam, that was a lot of good info and greatly appreciated. It makes me wonder because I really have no idea what my true IAT's are, could be really hurting my reliability, but we didnt really see any knocking on the dyno. Thanks for taking the time to make the illustrations and to post the pictures of the rods. Also the bit about the peak cyl pressures at peak torque are good to know and makes me feel a bit better about turning up the heat. At the same time it's kinda scary that Miami Summer is coming and Stillen never showed info on the IAT's after the cooler. Wish they would chime in and give us some info.

Much appreciated.
RCZ is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 08:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Mr.Squeeze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Keystone state
Posts: 1,209
Drives: 2010 370z
Rep Power: 20153
Mr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond reputeMr.Squeeze has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RCZ View Post
Sam, that was a lot of good info and greatly appreciated. It makes me wonder because I really have no idea what my true IAT's are, could be really hurting my reliability, but we didnt really see any knocking on the dyno. Thanks for taking the time to make the illustrations and to post the pictures of the rods. Also the bit about the peak cyl pressures at peak torque are good to know and makes me feel a bit better about turning up the heat. At the same time it's kinda scary that Miami Summer is coming and Stillen never showed info on the IAT's after the cooler. Wish they would chime in and give us some info.

Much appreciated.
This is what you need PLX Devices Inc. - Single Gauges, Wideband Air Fuel Ratio, Air Intake Temperature, Exhaust Gas Temperature, Vacuum/Boost, Oil Pressure, Fluid Temperature

Scroll down to the Air Intake Gauge.

Good post SAM I think its a good thing that you take time out to show other members.
__________________
Driven Motorsports Single Turbo 7675 T4 1.32 A/R 995WHP 780TQ
Mr.Squeeze is offline  
Old 05-23-2011, 11:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
dixon cider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: STL
Posts: 6,034
Drives: ONE BAD AZZ VERT
Rep Power: 30
dixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond reputedixon cider has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Great job Sam!
__________________
*GTM* *INVIDIA* *MRWorks (RIP)* *Snow Performance* *Giken* *KW* *Hotchkis* *SRP*
"Remember, when all else fails, don't forget to tongue punch the brown starfish"-dixon
Dixon Cider's Roadster Build
dixon cider is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 12:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 74
Drives: 09 G37S Sedan 6MT
Rep Power: 16
jran76 is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks Sam. This needs to be added to the FI for noobs thread.
__________________
2009 G37S Sedan-6MT: Advan / Volk / Tein / SPC / Invidia / Cobb / K&N
jran76 is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 12:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
Track Member
 
definitionxmk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Los Angeles CA
Posts: 973
Drives: Stage 2 SC 370Z
Rep Power: 18
definitionxmk will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to definitionxmk Send a message via Yahoo to definitionxmk Send a message via Skype™ to definitionxmk
Default

^I've learned more in that one post than me reading the other threads of people just yapping away.

Good stuff, Sam!
__________________

FALKEN . AMUSE . STANCE . INVIDIA . MINES . TOMMY KAIRA . BRIDE . VOLK RACING . GTM
Featured in DSPORT issue #137 - Follow me on Instagram: @definitionxmk
definitionxmk is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 01:09 AM   #9 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
KaienZ34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: LA. not L.a.
Posts: 21,652
Drives: Z34 Tour/Sport
Rep Power: 178
KaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond reputeKaienZ34 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by definitionxmk View Post
^I've learned more in that one post than me reading the other threads of people just yapping away.

Good stuff, Sam!

damn good info
__________________
"These Violent Delights Have Violent Ends"

KaienZ34 is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 11:47 AM   #10 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
roplusbee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Killeen, TX
Posts: 2,360
Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO
Rep Power: 23
roplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond reputeroplusbee has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to roplusbee Send a message via Yahoo to roplusbee
Default

I believe Sam made a post similar in another thread. I don't remember which it was, but he explained the stain that F/I motors see and endure. This seems to be a much more detailed version which also displayed a pretty good apples to apples comparison. Great job again Sam.

BTW I love how he shows the Stage 2 TT vs SC.
__________________
2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift | UPREV | F.I. | Greddy | Competition Clutch | Injector Dynamics | Aeromotive | Pioneer | JL
roplusbee is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 11:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Dzel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Midland, TX
Posts: 3,884
Drives: 11 370Z PW M6
Rep Power: 24
Dzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond reputeDzel has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Thanks guys for the eye opener. I am for sure leaning towards a SC now.
__________________
10secWS6
IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.
Dzel is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 04:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Destin, Fl
Posts: 152
Drives: Nismo
Rep Power: 16
Flyboy is on a distinguished road
Default

Shouldn't the Main concern be about Compression in PSI, and not necessarily the amount in boost?

11:1 at 10 lbs of boost = ?? PSI

VS.

9.5:1 at 18 lbs of boost = ?? PSI

I don't think it's the about of boost, but the amount of compression in PSI that blows up motors.
Flyboy is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 07:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
NewYorkJon34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Naples, Florida
Posts: 3,041
Drives: 09 Fairlady Z
Rep Power: 1066
NewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond reputeNewYorkJon34 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I'll be running a 10:1 compression as recommended by Sam, 11:1 is not the safest IMO
__________________
NewYorkJon34's Ultimate Z Build
NewYorkJon34 is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 07:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
Base Member
 
JTTZR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Sydney
Posts: 136
Drives: Renault Megane RS265
Rep Power: 15
JTTZR is on a distinguished road
Default

Great to get a basic understanding of how the Supercharger version seems to make more sense than Turbo version.

I've always wondered why Lotus opted for Supercharged 1.8 & 3.5 liter Toyota units (apart from the throttle response issue). They probably came to similar conclusions.
__________________

2014 Renault Megane R.S. Cup 265
Pipercross Panel Filter // Fastchip Stage 1 ECU remap
JTTZR is offline  
Old 05-24-2011, 07:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
JB-370z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 1,859
Drives: Stage 2 Twin Turbos
Rep Power: 20
JB-370z is on a distinguished road
Default

Please everyone get SC kits so we Turbo guys can remain a rare breed!
__________________
ll Baker Tuning ll GTM ll Powerhouse Amuse ll HKS ll Up-Rev ll iForged ll AP Racing ll Pioneer ll SPL ll Bride ll Top Secret ll OS Giken ll
GTM Stage 2 Twin Turboed 370z (First in Texas, Thanks To Baker Tuning)
JB-370z is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
GTM Supercharger Stage 1 w/ F.I. LTH theDreamer Forced Induction 140 03-16-2013 04:50 PM
GTM Performance Engineering Stage 1 Turn key Supercharger kit In house Installation. SAM@GTM Forced Induction 311 09-07-2011 03:42 AM
GTM supercharger stage 1 videos Fezzik Forced Induction 23 05-10-2011 11:34 AM
GTM Performance Engineering Stage 1 Turn key Supercharger kit In house Install II. SAM@GTM Forced Induction 254 08-11-2010 10:59 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2