Successfull Tracking with Forced Induction??

CSF Inc.

Just wanted to chime in with our experience in building the only aftermarket cooling system module for the 370Z/G37.. Also some of the feedback of our customers who have installed the unit.

Our goal when developing our upgraded cooling system module (radiator + condenser) were the following:
- Drop-in fit, requiring no modifications to install.
- Increase the cooling system capacity by at least 100%
- Able to remove the condenser for race application.

Performance Motorsport (NY) tracked their 370Z Nismo (NA) at a time attack event in New Jersey in August (humid/hot ~90 ambient temp) with our radiator installed, and went over 12 laps without the water temp getting over 228 degrees and the oil around 250.
Performance Race Solutions (FL) had very similar results when tracking their car during the summer in Florida.

The biggest issue we see with this vehicle set-up is the lack of direct and cold airflow that the cooling system receives, especially in FI set-ups. The front grill is not very large and airflow is poor, combined with the lack of space/venting for the air to escape once it's passed through the radiator.
- FOR NA builds the airflow is more direct, but intake systems that sit in front of the radiator compete for cold air with some of them blocking the radiator and sucking in cold air before it can travel through the cooling system.
- For FI builds, the air has to go through a massive intercooler first. Also, sometimes additional coolers are placed before the cooling system as well.
- Even worse, when tracking/racing, if you are drafting behind someone, you will be getting very little airflow.


Our unit has about 130% more cooling capacity/efficiency than the stock unit when accounting for our thicker core and B-tube technology that is about 15% more efficient than the tubes Nissan uses for this vehicle.

I'm going to have to disagree with this statement. I've heard many 370Z owners say this, and I don't know why.
If the radiator is cooling the water that is circulating around the engine block, and the oil is circulating within the engine, then bringing down the water temps will also directly bring down the oil temps. Because no person (that we know of) has installed our unit without any additional oil coolers, we don't know what the significance of our unit solely on the oil temps are. However, for the guys who have seriously tracked their cars, it has made a huge difference in bringing down their oil temps, but more importantly stabilizing them.

A "Nascar style" cooling system is typically 3-4 inches thicks and at least 3 rows of tubing. Making a unit this size was not possible because of the condenser portion that needed to be included and the support beam that runs vertically in front of the condenser. For guys who want to track their car, the ability to remove the condenser will increase the cooling efficiency of their vehicle, something we took into account when developing out unit.

If there is sufficient demand from the 370Z/G37 community, we could build a unit without a condenser that would be ~3-3.5 times more cooling capacity compared to the original while still installing without any modifications. If we could get at least 5 units pre-ordered, I could discuss a group-buy with one of the supporting vendors who distribute our product. Any interest?
- We also had the idea of putting additional plate-type oil coolers in both end tanks, but the market for this was undetermined.

Our advice, is that if you are planning on tracking your car or stepping up to an FI build, you definitely need some type of extra cooling capacity. Nissan really botched this design up with their single unit radiator/condenser. The thickness of the radiator core is a mere 15mm and it has no front surface area. For a high performance sports car, i wonder what they were thinking

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Nixlimited

They were thinking 98% of the purchasers wouldn't ever push the car that hard, and cars are a small margin business. The good news is that manufacturers' shortcuts make for a booming aftermarket!

BTW, it's a shame that if you are making such an awesome product for our cars that it is so hard to find info about on your website. I believe I found it, but there are no pictures, no cost, no ordering info, etc.

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Nixlimited

Thanks. Still no info on cost. I wonder how this stacks up with GTM's own offering.

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CSF Inc.

The following supporting forum vendors have access to our product:

Vivid Racing
Stillen
UAM
GTM
Z1 - 370Z Upgraded Radiator with Condenser

We are the only manufacture that has a drop-in fit radiator with the condenser to keep your ac functional. Our detachable 2 piece design is patent pending. There is nothing comparable to our product on the market.

Also, you can check out our racing and high performance website for more info. CSF Radiators
and our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/CSFradiators

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theDreamer

CSF Inc posted the vendors who have it, I got mine from Z1 and got it in 2 days.
From what I have been told by Sam, he will probably have 2 version. Still waiting on official sizes, pricing and results.

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CSF Inc.

Sorry Scott - Slipped my mind.. We appreciate all the business. post edited.

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ChrisSlicks

I would be interested in the condenser-less version especially if it had built in oil-to-water heat-exchange capacity. Maybe there are a couple of other racers on here that have ditched their A/C or are getting ready too. Travis? Mike?

On the hot days my water temps (and oil temps) have been way too high. My current oil cooler blocking the radiator doesn't help. Am considering some hood vents to increase air flow through the radiator, do you think these make a significant difference?

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Mike@GTM

We can supply our Competition 70mm radiator with or without the A/C condenser and we have a huge heat exchanger that can be used to cool either engine oil or automatic transmission fluid.

Here is a link to it on our website: GTM Motorsports*::*COOLING SYSTEM*::*GTM 70MM Competition Radiator With Heat Exchanger That includes the A/C condenser, but it would obviously be less expensive without it.

I'm working on the press release and should have it done tomorrow. In the meantime, here's a couple pictures:


We also have a high output fan shroud and fan system available as well to increase airflow at low vehicle speeds (traffic, low speed corners on the track, etc.).

GTM Motorsports*::*COOLING SYSTEM*::*GTM H.O. 14" Dual Fan Kit For Z34/V36

ChrisSlicks

Very interesting. Good price on the radiator especially if it is cheaper without the condenser, ouch on the fan shroud

Mike, what you recommend for a secondary oil cooling system, or will the radiator heat exchanger be enough? E.g. will it be equivalent to a normal sized Laminova unit?

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