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-   -   GTM Performance Engineering VQ45VHR-Our Journey to The 1000 HP and Beyond (http://www.the370z.com/forced-induction/20809-gtm-performance-engineering-vq45vhr-our-journey-1000-hp-beyond.html)

Red__Zed 07-14-2011 08:58 AM
I always laugh at how people handle ****.

They bitch if the parts from the build aren't mass produced, and when someone is chill enough to let that extra time be taken on their build, they harass them....

Econ 07-14-2011 09:07 AM
werd.

i want 1000hp. and i want it by tomorrow.

Red__Zed 07-14-2011 09:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Econ (Post 1216004)
werd.

i want 1000hp. and i want it by tomorrow.
I want 1200 yesterday!

wheee! 07-14-2011 09:15 AM
mad props to Bullitt and GTM for enduring this "roasting". Can't wait for the end result and benefits to the Z community at large! Heck! I'd be happy with a VVEL tune!

Econ 07-14-2011 09:16 AM
i need more money to meet the growing needs of my mod bug.

NYBladeZ 07-14-2011 09:36 AM
Mike and Sam have continued to be the pioneers for R&D and aftermarket parts for the Z. I'm sure the haters would rather we get crappy parts that don't optimize performance. Frankly, Mike and Sam don't want this build to be a one off, they want to pave the way for any person brave and rich enough to want to follow.

KaienZ34 07-14-2011 09:39 AM
Most of the haters won't be able to use any of the new parts. As they don't drive 370's at all, makes me wounder why they would give a sh!t how long it takes.

ND370z 07-14-2011 09:48 AM
Hater is what keep the forum going and trolls. People dont understand. No one else will do a build like this for the Z. Im still excited to see the results and the new prodcuts coming out. Hope the build goes well.

Econ 07-14-2011 10:03 AM
what new parts are being recreated?

DIGItonium 07-14-2011 10:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Econ (Post 1216109)
what new parts are being recreated?
AFAIK, custom fuel rails to support the lower manifold adapter for the VR38 intake plenum, but I guess it will also support the larger injectors for Mike's build. Unless these fuel rails are a one size fits all solution, my car won't be needing it for the Stage II @ 6.5 PSI and VR38 intake plenum.

Since I'm in a bit of a crunch and cannot afford technical challenges beyond the TT setup, I'm going to hold off the VR38 plenum project for awhile. I was really hoping for something similar to Mike's setup with BOVs located in the engine bay.

Nixlimited 07-14-2011 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 1216128)
AFAIK, custom fuel rails to support the lower manifold adapter for the VR38 intake plenum, but I guess it will also support the larger injectors for Mike's build. Unless these fuel rails are a one size fits all solution, my car won't be needing it for the Stage II @ 6.5 PSI and VR38 intake plenum.

Since I'm in a bit of a crunch and cannot afford technical challenges beyond the TT setup, I'm going to hold off the VR38 plenum project for awhile. I was really hoping for something similar to Mike's setup with BOVs located in the engine bay.
Technically speaking (i.e. aesthetics notwithstanding), you don't want the BOVs in the engine bay. You want them before the intercooler. There is no point in heat soaking the intercooler with air that you are going to then vent after the intercooler, but before the combustion chamber i.e. air that is never going to be combusted. It may not matter much in the end, but if you want the highest system efficiency, then you don't want to cool air you don't have to.

DIGItonium 07-14-2011 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 1216198)
Technically speaking (i.e. aesthetics notwithstanding), you don't want the BOVs in the engine bay...
Ah, thanks for the heads up. I wondered about the location of the BOVs in the HR versus VHR kits leading to Mike's setup.

Ron 07-14-2011 06:49 PM
BOVs on a GTM kit are already on the cold side of the IC. It's just a matter of moving them closer towards the TBs. They did it on this one:
GTM Motorsports*::*Customer Vehicles*::*Juan.U

Check these pics and follow the pipes.
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...p-532rwtq.html

JB-370z 07-18-2011 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1216846)
BOVs on a GTM kit are already on the cold side of the IC. It's just a matter of moving them closer towards the TBs. They did it on this one:
GTM Motorsports*::*Customer Vehicles*::*Juan.U

Check these pics and follow the pipes.
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...p-532rwtq.html
I am doing it on mine. :happydance:

Ron 07-18-2011 04:29 PM
Me too... I need to talk to you about that JB, can u pm me your number?

Reality 08-04-2011 07:45 AM
Bumping in anticipation of epic results..
-Where oh Where can the 1000+whp #'s be? Where OH WHERE?

:hello:

SparkleCityHop 08-07-2011 08:56 AM
This build came up in conversation twice in the Formula Drift Pro/Am garage in Charlotte, NC yesterday. Conversations were about what HP the 35DE, 35HR, and 37 engines can do with turbos (stock vs built) - conversation one was about comparing to Sikky LSx swaps and conversation two was about comparing to the R35 platform. I wasn't sure what the top HP dynos are currently on the 370, but knew that you guys have been shooting to be the first to 1000hp on the 370 for a while now.

I haven't been on here long enough to know - and I hope this question isn't too far off-topic, but what's the most HP that anyone's seen so far on a dyno sheet for the 370 platform? I'm just wondering how much of a leap forward this 1000+hp build represents compared to the next highest?

Thanks!

DIGItonium 08-07-2011 10:55 AM
Welcome! :)

From a quick search, I honestly have not seen a 370Z make more than 600whp (stock block). The highest boost is no more than 12 PSI. Take a look at the torque curve from these motors as the boost gets increased... interesting?

500whp
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...tml#post758798
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...e-monster.html
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...tq-11-psi.html

However, this is probably the most I've seen from a VQ37 stock block:
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...p-474rwtq.html

Red__Zed 08-07-2011 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkleCityHop (Post 1249154)
This build came up in conversation twice in the Formula Drift Pro/Am garage in Charlotte, NC yesterday. Conversations were about what HP the 35DE, 35HR, and 37 engines can do with turbos (stock vs built) - conversation one was about comparing to Sikky LSx swaps and conversation two was about comparing to the R35 platform. I wasn't sure what the top HP dynos are currently on the 370, but knew that you guys have been shooting to be the first to 1000hp on the 370 for a while now.

I haven't been on here long enough to know - and I hope this question isn't too far off-topic, but what's the most HP that anyone's seen so far on a dyno sheet for the 370 platform? I'm just wondering how much of a leap forward this 1000+hp build represents compared to the next highest?

Thanks!

It is a pretty freaking big jump. I haven't seen anything in the 700 range even.

1slow370 08-07-2011 03:16 PM
ifit's just vq37's then there was the g37 gtm did that was dyno'd at like 700 or 800 something, the last shop car

christian370z 08-07-2011 05:11 PM
The power and torque curves look identical even as the boost goes up, hp is still climbing at the end of every run regardless of the psi being run which is pretty impressive.

DIGItonium 08-07-2011 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1249641)
The power and torque curves look identical even as the boost goes up, hp is still climbing at the end of every run regardless of the psi being run which is pretty impressive.
What I think is interesting is how the torque curve hits the ceiling at 400 lb-ft at 4k RPM at 12 PSI, but maybe there are other factors since this stuff is way over my head tee hee.

christian370z 08-07-2011 05:41 PM
I bet that has a lot to do with VVEL, especially as it applies to supercharged setups. But I guess that is just speculative until some real world results from GTM come out, it will be very interested to see what kind of gains cracking VVEL will give not only to FI guys but also N/A setups.

DIGItonium 08-07-2011 06:02 PM
Holy crap... I wonder how GTM is doing with the intake manifold and collector. After watching this video... I can't imagine simply slapping this thing onto our engines O_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEJnewBSZ-Q

Kingbaby 08-07-2011 10:39 PM
anticipation

Reality 08-11-2011 07:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN (Post 9309362)
You know I was going to come on here and write a huge long reply to this thread. but I am going to make this short:

First of all I am not a kid of any sort... Do I care what seems to be what a circle jerk group here on this forum thinks... nah not really. Did I update the original thread with the car is now being used for product development... yes and did I not also mention the car was pulled from the shop for over a month.... yes to that as well.

Secondly, whether you choose to believe it or not the car has been running for a while now. And as stated so many times before the car has been the basis for product development for GTM. Again, I would like to point out that yes I have had my thoughts to sell the car... but who wouldnt after their car has been in several different shops over the course of a year... Am I selling it right now? NO! Some people think me or my partners dont innovate products for the 370z market yet we are bringing to market a fully motorized rear wing, along with new hood designs, Fenders, full bodykits and several other items.

Has the car made a 1000rwhp? YES and a good bit more... do I have to post it up here for a bunch of members who think they are sly, funny and smart... No I dont and honestly I could care less if the 350z community ever gets to see the final posted numbers! You guys have been D!CKS since day one. The car was assembled in the stated time and then changes were made to the entire build. The car has been running for months now and new innovations are being developed because of this build.

If you have negative comments it just shows your immaturity. I wish your little congregation of Me & GTM haters absolutely nothing. You dont deserve it and honestly you guys are pretty full of yourselves. The first step to recovery is recognizing you as a community have a problem!

Good Day!
-So the beast is running at 1000+whp, but OP won't post dyno's.. :icon17:

Enough with the :bs:

sinceday1 08-11-2011 08:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reality (Post 1255966)
-So the beast is running at 1000+whp, but OP won't post dyno's.. :icon17:

Enough with the :bs:
This isn't B.S. of a kid driving G35 saying he's got VTEK under the hood.. With R&D involved and amount of work to be done + operating as a shop producing other mass produceable products, i figured it would take longer than a year.

If it's possible and happens, good. If not, no harm done.

did YOU have balls to go out there and try what no one else could? then please don't bash...what's the point?

Red__Zed 08-11-2011 08:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sinceday1 (Post 1256061)
This isn't B.S. of a kid driving G35 saying he's got VTEK under the hood.. With R&D involved and amount of work to be done + operating as a shop producing other mass produceable products, i figured it would take longer than a year.

If it's possible and happens, good. If not, no harm done.

did YOU have balls to go out there and try what no one else could? then please don't bash...what's the point?
I don't think we have a problem with it taking longer, it's the claims that they hit 1k and just aren't showing the dynos

Kingbaby 08-11-2011 08:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambo
Who are you? Who are any of you?
:bowrofl:

bullitt5897 08-11-2011 11:45 AM
Wow you guys are acting like a bunch of teenagers behind a keyboard:
http://www.nakedfanmail.com/wp-conte...+Limpet+21.jpg

You guys collectively get my initial build thread there locked with your ignorance and harassment. Then you make another thread which doesnt get any head way and dies in two pages... then you make another thread to yet again try to bash me over there with ignorant BS posts and a huge circle jerk session of hate on the build... As I told you I will not be posting any results and I will be asking GTM to refrain from posting any details/results of my build on my350z...

Yes the car is running and yes the car has dyno #'s. However, we are developing a whole new intake manifold and we have chosen to hold the release of numbers until we finish development on this intake. You guys from my350z are the most dense idiots I have ever encountered on a forum... Seriously, I tell you I am not going to post results until finished and you b!tch and complain and scream newb and liar... Your community posts and I quote "POST DYNO OR GTFO NEWB." SERIOUSLY?!?!?! You expect someone to release info to your community when your whole mission is to attempt (poorly I might add) to piss someone off and pressure them into giving you fuel for your little hater parade.

Sooo unless you have something to credibly add to the discussion of my build GTFO! You are not welcome here with your little antics and attitude. This community unlike my350z is not full of douche bags and you can quote me on that! Because I know your going to run over there and go look what he said blah blah blah... hate hate hate...

Without any more discussion on this subject the car is running fine and is slated to be at a show later this month and in our shop afterward for new UAM parts and then to SEMA again.

FuszNissan 08-11-2011 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1256385)
Wow you guys are acting like a bunch of teenagers behind a keyboard:
http://www.nakedfanmail.com/wp-conte...+Limpet+21.jpg

You guys collectively get my initial build thread there locked with your ignorance and harassment. Then you make another thread which doesnt get any head way and dies in two pages... then you make another thread to yet again try to bash me over there with ignorant BS posts and a huge circle jerk session of hate on the build... As I told you I will not be posting any results and I will be asking GTM to refrain from posting any details/results of my build on my350z...

Yes the car is running and yes the car has dyno #'s. However, we are developing a whole new intake manifold and we have chosen to hold the release of numbers until we finish development on this intake. You guys from my350z are the most dense idiots I have ever encountered on a forum... Seriously, I tell you I am not going to post results until finished and you b!tch and complain and scream newb and liar... Your community posts and I quote "POST DYNO OR GTFO NEWB." SERIOUSLY?!?!?! You expect someone to release info to your community when your whole mission is to attempt (poorly I might add) to piss someone off and pressure them into giving you fuel for your little hater parade.

Sooo unless you have something to credibly add to the discussion of my build GTFO! You are not welcome here with your little antics and attitude. This community unlike my350z is not full of douche bags and you can quote me on that! Because I know your going to run over there and go look what he said blah blah blah... hate hate hate...

Without any more discussion on this subject the car is running fine and is slated to be at a show later this month and in our shop afterward for new UAM parts and then to SEMA again.
:tup: :bowrofl: :roflpuke2: :bowrofl: :roflpuke2:

But being serious, that's not even a good computer set up...come on you need a better pic than that.

bullitt5897 08-11-2011 12:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FuszNissan (Post 1256395)
:tup: :bowrofl: :roflpuke2: :bowrofl: :roflpuke2:

But being serious, that's not even a good computer set up...come on you need a better pic than that.
I had to use that one it reminded me of the old 286 computers back in the day! Lmao!!!

Kingbaby 08-11-2011 12:43 PM
Glad you got that out of your system!

Why do you keep bringing up my350z?

bullitt5897 08-11-2011 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 1256507)
Glad you got that out of your system!

Why do you keep bringing up my350z?
Your from my350z you figure it out...

Kingbaby 08-11-2011 01:00 PM
Let me rephrase, before I get the "GTFO TROLL" comment

Stop defending yourself! You hit your goal! GREAT!

You hint at coming innovations, with no avail! I guess that's what the community HERE is so anxiously awaiting. Almost like the second coming of christ!

Ron 08-11-2011 01:09 PM
I gave up on this some time ago. It's gonna be done when its done. And if it's not, then who cares? At least new parts are supposed to be coming for the community out of this whole thing.

Bullit is the only one who should be b1tching about the time it's taking to complete the build because he has not been able to drive the car in over a year like I am sure he would.

Bullit, if it were me, I would stop providing updates and giving deadlines for when stuff is supposed to be done, it's not your fault things get delayed, but unfortunately, you are loosing credibility because of it. Not bashing, just my 2cents.

bullitt5897 08-11-2011 01:30 PM
Thanks Ron. Development takes time... I'm just tired of the is it done yet questions or the post dyno results newb responses it's ignorant and trifling.

It's one of those lose lose situations for me at the moment... I don't say anything and people's imaginations fly off the handle bars and weired accusations fly around. If I do stand up and say something then people automatically think I am pissed or something when in all reality I am cracking up over the stupidity and lack of life people have by being persistent on trying to piss me off. Like you said there are things out of my hands that have kept me from having the car back... GTM has a very rigorous development process and I have had many talks with Sam over it. They are working hard but are perfectionists when it comes to designing a product... If they can squeeze 10-15 more hp out of it they will take another week to do it...

If anyone is allowed to be upset about the timeline it's me... Not people who have not invested into this project or even this car model...

I appreciate responses like Ron's! Thanks Ron!

Kingbaby 08-11-2011 01:34 PM
I said the same thing!


Thanks Rod!

Ron 08-11-2011 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 1256579)
I said the same thing!


Thanks Rod!


Yeah, thank Rod!... wait? Who's Rod?

Kingbaby 08-11-2011 01:37 PM
lmoa

<-----Rod

Good Morning everyone hawaii time!


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